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Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross #138364
12/24/11 08:43 PM
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Here is the link to the study and discussion material for Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross

Here are some study helps: Study Helps, Lesson 14


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: asygo] #138404
12/27/11 05:14 PM
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There are some very good things in this week's lesson. Let's take time to take a closer look.

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True religion is not rooted in external behavior but in the condition of the human heart. As Jesus Himself said, a person can look wonderful on the outside but be spiritually rotten on the inside (Matt. 23:27).


This is a good summary of what I've been trying to emphasize all quarter. True religion, or true Christianity, is not based on external behavior. The outside can look great while the inside is awful. The inside is what counts.

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Paul refers to this new creation experience in greater detail in 2 Corinthians 5:17. In this verse, Paul explains that becoming a new creation means far more than just a change in our status in the books of heaven; it brings about a change in our lives today.


While our obedient behavior is not the root of our Christianity, it most certainly is the fruit. The new creature does not wallow in the old creature's sty.

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Becoming a new creature, however, is not what justifies us. This radical change is, instead, the unmistakable manifestation of what it means to be justified.


If we can all understand this point, that makes the quarter worth it for me.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: asygo] #138409
12/27/11 08:53 PM
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Faith and good works go hand-in-hand. They are inseparable. To speak of them separately as if they can exist independently misses the mark. "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: Mountain Man] #138416
12/28/11 12:19 AM
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Yes, faith and works go hand-in-hand. The lesson this quarter was pretty clear on that, I thought.

But while they cannot be separated, they must be distinguished. To think that they are one and the same is wrong. They go hand-in-hand, but they are not the same hand. One hand always leads the other hand.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: asygo] #138419
12/28/11 04:18 AM
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Thursday's section, that you quoted from I really like, but for this reason.
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It is the divine act in which God takes a person who is spiritually dead and breathes spiritual life into him. This is yet another metaphor to describe the saving act that Paul typically describes as justification by faith.

The lesson may not be that accurate in that closing statement that you excerpted: simply put, there is an experiential element to justification by faith - missing this point makes you think that the new creation isn't part of justification, somehow.

What would it be part of, then??? How can it be a metaphor for justification but not part of justification???! The lesson author contradicts himself, m'thinks, after making such a monumental breakthrough in the quote I supplied above.

Pardon and regeneration go side by side in justification, and neither of them is ahead of the hand of sanctification! cool As we are pardoned, we are renewed by the Spirit of Jesus - receiving the mind of Christ, and so we are able to live the sanctified life by the Spirit. The new creation is how we live by faith, not ahead of or behind other parts of the gospel.

It is God's direct action, to change us inside and renew our minds, as we accept Jesus
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Ktisis is the Greek word translated “creation.” It either can refer to an individual “creature” (Heb. 4:13) or to all of the “created” order itself (Rom. 8:22). In either case, the word implies the action of a Creator. That is Paul’s point.
So, justification by faith involves all these changes, both for us - pardon, and in us - recreation. Justification happens to us and not just for us.

Behaviour improves are nothing more than living that new creation, recreated daily, living daily, by the Spirit. There should be no disputing over whether we behave better or why: for, the love of God in put inside us, and so we are. smile

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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: Colin] #138420
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Just some quotes for now.

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The grace of Christ is freely to justify the sinner without merit or claim on his part. Justification is a full, complete pardon of sin. The moment a sinner accepts Christ by faith, that moment he is pardoned. The righteousness of Christ is imputed to him, and he is no more to doubt God's forgiving grace. {RC 78.3}

The sinner accepts Christ by faith, not works, and he is justified at that moment.

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Sanctification is not the work of a moment, an hour, a day, but of a lifetime. It is not gained by a happy flight of feeling, but is the result of constantly dying to sin, and constantly living for Christ. Wrongs cannot be righted nor reformations wrought in the character by feeble, intermittent efforts. It is only by long, persevering effort, sore discipline, and stern conflict, that we shall overcome. ... Sanctification is the result of lifelong obedience. {AA 560.3}

In contrast, sanctification is not the work of a moment. It requires a lifetime of long persevering effort and obedience.

The former takes a moment, while the latter takes a lifetime. They do not happen at the same time.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: Mountain Man] #138427
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Faith and good works go hand-in-hand. They are inseparable. To speak of them separately as if they can exist independently misses the mark. "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

And that is the verse that the quarterlies seem to purposely avoid. I don't remember seeing it in any of the lessons this quarter (but there were a couple of lessons that I missed). The trend is to base the entire philosophy on Paul, and avoid any other new testament writer like James or Peter.

I think that is unfair to the scripture to avoid the obvious balancing text when treating on a subject as important as this.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: asygo] #138428
12/28/11 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
The sinner accepts Christ by faith, not works, and he is justified at that moment.

Faith without works is dead, i.e. not "faith."

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: Green Cochoa] #138430
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Originally Posted By: asygo
In contrast, sanctification is not the work of a moment. It requires a lifetime of long persevering effort and obedience. The former takes a moment, while the latter takes a lifetime. They do not happen at the same time.

They both happen at the same time. Newborn believers begin perfectly justified and perfectly sanctified. But sanctification isn't static or stagnant. It involves "perfecting holiness" (2 Cor 7:1) "more and more unto the perfect day" (Prov 4:18). "This sanctification is a progressive work, and an advance from one stage of perfection to another." {ML 250.4} Jesus demonstrated this truth as He grew from childhood to manhood. The idea that sanctification also involves gradually outgrowing sinful habits is unbiblical. Sanctification has nothing to do with becoming less and less sinful and everything to do with growing in grace and maturing in the fruits of the Spirit.

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Re: Lesson #14 (4th Quarter 2011): Boasting in the Cross [Re: Mountain Man] #138432
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Originally Posted By: asygo
M: Faith and good works go hand-in-hand. They are inseparable. To speak of them separately as if they can exist independently misses the mark. "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

A: Yes, faith and works go hand-in-hand. The lesson this quarter was pretty clear on that, I thought. But while they cannot be separated, they must be distinguished. To think that they are one and the same is wrong. They go hand-in-hand, but they are not the same hand. One hand always leads the other hand.

C: Pardon and regeneration go side by side in justification, and neither of them is ahead of the hand of sanctification! As we are pardoned, we are renewed by the Spirit of Jesus - receiving the mind of Christ, and so we are able to live the sanctified life by the Spirit. The new creation is how we live by faith, not ahead of or behind other parts of the gospel.

GC: The trend is to base the entire philosophy on Paul, and avoid any other new testament writer like James or Peter. I think that is unfair to the scripture to avoid the obvious balancing text when treating on a subject as important as this.

Faith and works are so interrelated it is pointless to address them separately or independently. There is no such thing as faith without works for the simple reason faith without works is not faith - it is something entirely unrelated to faith. We can no more be justified without good works than we can be justified without faith. Since faith and works are inseparable it stands to reason justification and sanctification are inseparable and must necessarily, therefore, happen simultaneously.

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