I was googling for stuff on Adventism and i found this webforum. it looks like the god hates fags people from topeka. they are baptists right??

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=13738

what are they talking about and did Ellen White really copy work??? should we respond to them??
is this slander?

Well done, newhopefull: you've found another of 100's of critical websites, disagreeing with us on doctrine & viewpoints as usual. We tnd to ignore them, defending our own corner takes enough time and effort!

What is your understanding of and new-found belief in Sister White's inspiration? Thoughts inspired or word-4-word dictation? Yes, she read all sorts of books to understand issues in life and faith and drew on some of them but her use of other's wording was to set them in the meaning of truth God had showed her - truth which remains. Inspiration cannot be copyrighted...I'm sure others here will help you from their experience: experience of SOP is the greatest mystery of her writings.

Speaking of Sister White, a good website supporting authentic Adventism is greatcontroversy.org Another good website is gycweb.org: Generation of Youth for Christ, formerly General Youth Conference. It is Adventist-youth led and promoting authentic Adventism among youth, with the support of the actual GC.

I personally didn't research the highs and lows of criticism online until I'd read original Adventist literature - which God led me to - revealing authentic Adventism, which is why I come here now and then to chip in. You'll find plenty of tips here!

The Topeka guy is Fred Phelps, and has nothing to do with the link that was given. Here's a Wiki on Fred: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

Regarding how to deal with the Baptists of the link, the following comes to mind:

Don't bother. We'd like to keep our "cult for darkies" to ourselves.

As has been mentioned, you will find many sites that attack our beliefs. Some present reasonable objections, but this is not one of them.

Your best course of action is to know the truth very well, and you'll be able to detect error much more easily. I would tell them that, but they seem to have their hands full already, defending the truth from that aboriginal who wore stolen clothes. LOL

I would focus on God's character. For example, before becoming an SDA, I was a non-SDA Protestant, whose beliefs were like these groups. When I studied the State of the Dead, I noticed that there were many texts both sides used. The other side would have an explanation as to why the texts did not apply against their view, so I wound up with dozens of texts on both sides of the issue, and dozens of explanations as to why one side's list didn't apply. So how to resolve this? Should I weigh the two sides and see which side had more?

As I thought about it, it seemed to me the SDA idea presented God in a way that was more along the lines of how the God presented in Scripture should be. That is, that God would cause people to be burned for all eternity because they didn't accept Christ didn't seem to jibe with what God was really like.

We have such a beautiful view of God at out disposal that few know of. If only they knew! Many would respond gleefully to the Advent message presented in these terms.

Repeating the quote:



This is our message! A revelation of "His character of love."

Amen Tom!!

I spent last weekend at a family reunion in Utah where most of my relatives are Mormons. I use to be very intimidated talking to Mormons because trying to convince someone that the Bible is true who doesn’t hold the Bible as an authority means we have no common ground to discuss.

I started discussing the character of God and presented Jesus as being the true authority and the perfect revelation of God's character. They put down their defenses and actually believed what I was saying. I told them the difference between the Evangelical gospel and the gospel that Jesus taught and then I even compared Jesus' gospel to their doctrine of the exaltation of the soul (which they call the gospel) and they agreed there was a big difference. I challenged them to go into their own churches and start teaching Jesus' gospel.

We have to remember that God is not an SDA. When Jesus incarnate into the Jewish church He ended up tearing down the walls that separated sinners from the God of the Jews and invited the whole human race to be the children of Abraham. There are no denominational walls that can contain Christ.

Scott

P.S. Hope your hand is feeling better!

Yes, God's revelation of his kingdom and his righteousness alerts us to our sinfulness and need of redemption. True, denominational walls cannot contain God, but which organised message has the fulness of the gospel of Christ as thus far discovered? The organised SDA church likely won't survive till the end, but the message shall!

What, Scott, do you list as the odds between the Evangelical gospel and Jesus' gospel? - I anticipate that the Adventist teaching of gospel obedience is "Jesus' gospel" of your comments? I'm curious besides about the Mormon doctrine you mentioned, if you'd like to elaborate on that.

Thanks, Scott. The hand is getting better. I think another week, maybe two, and it might be OK.

Regarding discussing God, I've noticed many people are willing to talk about that who wouldn't be interested in a conversation that involved doctrines. That is, if you ask someone what they think of God, what He is like, they'll tell you, and be interested in what your opinion is.

so focus on Gods character then?

The reason is because I was wondering what to do about the verses about executing fags and disobedient kids? i keep hearing christians talking about those verses (in Duetoronomy i think)

What part of the bible should I read about Gods character?? Or should i read Ellen White instead?

In Scripture, John is a wonderful book. From EGW, the Desire of Ages is great. In Jesus Christ, we can't miss seeing God's character revealed.