The point is, I never said these things. That's why I asked you to show me where, because you can't. It's not that it would take too long, but that it can't be done.

You state that I believe this, I believe that when the things you say do not even remotely address how I think, which is how I know I didn't say these things. I read what you say, and think to myself, "How could I have said this? I don't think this way."

Regarding your questions, to 1., I do not believe the thief on the cross was perfect. I do not believe he was ready for translation. I believe he was ready for death, by virtue of accepting Christ as His personal Savior. Had he lived longer, I believe he would have had sins to overcome, just like other Christians.

Regarding 2, no, they won't be reclassified. Regarding their being crucified, they were crucified on the cross.

Regarding 3, I believe God reveals truth as quickly as we are willing and able to respond to it. I agree with what Rosangela has been saying in regards to this.

Regarding 4, sins of ignorance are sins committed without being aware either that one is doing the sin, or that the thing being done is a sin. A cultivated sinful trait of character is a cherished sin.

Regarding 5, I already treated half of this. To the hereditary part, these are things passed to us genetically, or by non-genetic pre-natal influence, which predispose us to respond to certain temptations.

For your convenience, here are your questions:

Hey,

Just a quick note to say I'm out and about and will be unable post very often for the next few weeks.

Blessings,

Mike

1. Tom, did the thief take certain cultivated sinful traits to the grave? What do you mean by "sins to overcome"?

2. What do you mean by "crucified on the cross"?

3. Is revealing the truth and revealing cultivated sinful traits of character the same thing?

4. Are people born again with cultivated sinful traits of character?

5. Are people guilty of sinning because they possess inherited traits of character? Did Jesus possess them?

Unless he was sinless, he would have had to, wouldn't he?



You didn't provide any context, but my guess would be I meant being crucified.



No.



Are people born again sinless? I simply don't understand how you can confuse "believe in Christ" with "must be sinless" (unless I'm confused here, and am misunderstanding you; it certainly seems like your idea is that you must be perfect before you can be born again).



People are guilty of sinning when they do something they know is wrong.



This is an odd question. I suppose you could say He did in that He became sin for us. Is this what you were thinking?

1. What do you mean by "sins to overcome"?

1. What do you mean by "sinless"?

2. What do you mean "they [the uncrucified cultivated sinful traits the thief took with him to the grave] were crucified on the cross"?

3. What is the difference, in light of your posts above, between "revealing the truth and revealing cultivated sinful traits of character"?

4. What do you mean by "born again sinless"?

4. Are people born again sinful?

5. Is it a sin to possess inherited (uncultivated) traits of character?

5. How do people know when they are doing something wrong?

5. Did Jesus inherit the same traits of character we inherit at conception?

Unknown sins.



Without sin; not having any sins.



I don't remember.



Truth encompasses more than simply sinful traits of character.



Born again without any sins.



No. "Sinful" implies willful disobedience. "Sinless" implies more than "not sinful."



How could this be sin?



Their conscience and the Holy Spirit.



If this is a nature of Christ question, you know I'm post-lapsarian. If you have something else in mind, you'll have to clarify.

By "sinless", then, do you mean they have 1) no cultivated sinful traits to confess and crucify, and 2) no sins of ignorance to discover and crucify? Or, can they be viewed as "sinless", in the eyes of God, if they have no cultivated sinful traits of character to crucify but still sin ignorantly or unwittingly?

You say the thief took certain cultivated sinful traits of character with him to the grave, but you haven't clearly explained what will become of them in the resurrection. Will Jesus change them or crucify them in the resurrection? If not, what will become of them?

Since it is not a sin to possess uncultivated inherited traits of character, then is it correct to conclude Jesus inherited them and possessed them to, that He was not tainted or sinful because He had them? If so, can this also be applied to uncultivated inherited sinful tendencies, inclinations, propensities? That is, did Jesus also inherit them like we do? Does anyone incur guilt and condemnation because they inherit them?

Let's run the video tape:



It looks like the context is "cultivated sinful traits," doesn't it?



Try using other language please.



I think what happened is I asked you a question, which you didn't answer. A person can have a cultivated trait of which he is ignorant. I think this may be what's missing.



This is unfamiliar language to me. I would say that Jesus Christ took upon Him the same flesh we have, with the temptations common to man, that are passed genetically.



As previous response.

Okay, then what will happen to the uncrucified cultivated sinful traits of character the thief took with him to the grave when Jesus returns and resurrects him?

I'm assuming you're talking about things the thief didn't know about. He will be told about them.