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Re: Whose are we?
#10201
10/04/03 02:25 AM
10/04/03 02:25 AM
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Sister White clearly affirms the chosen, remnant status of the SDA Church. People who disagree with her are in essence disagreeing with God. "Whose we are" and what we are is verified by God through the inspired gift of Sister White.
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/05/03 07:34 PM
10/05/03 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
Thomas, good point. Yes, all of our 27 doctrinal beliefs can be proven from the Bible and the Bible only. However, it must never be forgotten that God placed His stamp of approval upon them through the inspired gift of Sister White. It is her inspired confirmation, more so than anything else, that gives credibility to our doctrines.
So you say that our "unik" doctrines lack credibility except when seen trough EGW glasses?
Otherwise it would be next to impossible to confidently believe in some of our more unique truths (i.e., the pre-advent judgment, the mark of the beast, the historical application of the seven trumpets, etc).
How do you mean that these doctrines are proved by the bible if you have no confidence(or almost no confidence anyway) in them unless you understand them in the context of the works of EW? I thought the point of proving something was to make them credible and enable people to have confidence in them...
Without the inspired insights of Sister White we could not believe so firmly in our hotly debated doctrines.
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/05/03 07:42 PM
10/05/03 07:42 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett:
How are these latest round of posts about Ellen G White related to the Whose Are We? topic?
Why we belive what we belive may or may not be relevant to in whom we belive.
/Thomas
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/06/03 01:12 AM
10/06/03 01:12 AM
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quote:
Sister White clearly affirms the chosen, remnant status of the SDA Church. People who disagree with her are in essence disagreeing with God.
Mike, could it be that God disagrees with you? Are you and some others here, using EGW today the way Jews used Abraham and Moses?
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Did not the Jews (from whom salvation is) use Moses and Abraham to justify themselves and thus not repent? Were those the remnant of their day?
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Preaching the 3AM's is the primary mission of the remnant church. The SDA denomination is the only church in the world that is preaching the truth about the 3AM's.
Does one recognise the remnant by its profession or its fruit? Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Considering then,
- that the faithful and true witness testifies of the SDA denomination (according to testimony) Revelation 3:17 …thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
- and Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Should not one take heed, lest they be found wanting and that the following testimony could be sadly only too true?
Isaiah 29:13 … this people honour me with their lips, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof…
What is the fruit, which we should be looking for, which Christ is looking for, in our hearts?
The fruit reveals whose we are. By their fruits you shall know them.
Shalom
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/06/03 04:10 AM
10/06/03 04:10 AM
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Thomas, now that we have God's stamp of approval upon our 27 beliefs we can confidently believe we are right. Thanx to Sister White.
John, the fact the SDA church is lukewarm is evidence she is the remnant church. The remnant church will be shaken during the MOB crisis, if she were perfect there would be no need for a shaking.
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/06/03 04:54 PM
10/06/03 04:54 PM
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Mike,
Forgive me for disagreeing, but being confident in "being right" gets you nowhere. Israel was right, they were God's own, yet they failed to consistently follow God, and worse, when the Messiah arrived, in all their rightness, they missed Him....
There are bible scholars who can run circles around us as far as biblical interpretation is concerned and be "right" in their interpretation, yet they have no relationship with Christ.....
Thus, it's not being right that matters as much as being in Him. So if I have to choose between being "right" and being in a relationship with Christ, I will choose the relationship. While they are not mutually exclusive, I think we as sda's have consistently placed emphasis on "right knowledge" as opposed to a "right relationship."
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/06/03 05:34 PM
10/06/03 05:34 PM
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Steve:
Please define as exactly as you can, what you mean by our "relationship." Thanks.
LK
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/06/03 06:04 PM
10/06/03 06:04 PM
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Larry,
A relationship is an intimate union with another person. While a relationship may have rules that govern it, adherence to rules do not a relationship make. In the case of our relationship with Christ, it would mean (in my opinion) that we are attuned to His voice, that we communicate with Him as opposed to just asking Him for things, and that we surrender our everything to Him. We also allow His Spirit to transform our lives, and we do whatever it is He bids us to do....
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/06/03 06:37 PM
10/06/03 06:37 PM
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There is no need to have a dichotmy between right knowledge (doctrine) and right relationship with Christ. There cannot be such a state where one has truly the right relationship with Christ and at the same time cherishes wrong (or incorrect) knowledges about Him.
There may be a state when a believer maintains insufficient (but growing) knowledge, but a true disciple shall not reject the right knowledge when it is revealed to him by God.
In my experience, one who cherished a wrong doctrine always was lead to the road of digression in matters of faith.
The word "relationship" tends to have loaded (and negative) meaning - unfortunately due to its careless & idelogical use by the liberal theologians and their cohorts. I'd rather use instead following terms - "a daily walk with Christ" or "a life hidden in Christ".
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Re: Whose are we?
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10/07/03 03:51 AM
10/07/03 03:51 AM
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I see that:
Smugness in doctrinal traditions or personal "discoveries" is just as dangerous as smugness in relationship.
You can be arrogantly right as well as being patronizing and assumptive in your relationships to loved ones and Christ.
The key is the heart, for out of it "springs forth" the issue.
Old hearts=equal smugness in all things.
New hearts=highly sensitive to His personal directions.
If you were told by Him, unquestionably, to give up:
a "bible" theory of yours
a "christian" habit of yours
an unhealthy relationship of yours
a way of speaking
a loyalty to a group (cultural,racial, club)
a treasure(Caddy, Vette, Chevette,donkey-cart)
and you find yourself hesitating, then all the claims of "right relationship" or "right knowledge" are right shaky.
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