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Re: Whose are we?
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11/01/03 08:54 PM
11/01/03 08:54 PM
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Hello Mike, God bless you today. You asked: quote:
What do you think will cause a shaking and purification (tomorrow) within Adventism?
It will never happen tomorrow. Nothing will ever cause it.
If we ask what does it take to shake and awake an Adventist today then we will come to an answer.
Shalom
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/01/03 09:46 PM
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I agree John:
Adventist must stop looking for some "event" that will change everything somewhere down the road, and face The Shaker Himself, personally NOW.....
It's like a newlywed always daydreaming of her 50 wedding anniversary, and yet brushing off the attentions and pleas of her husband.
Very self-defeating...
"Come unto me..." is The Lover's plea, not an authoritarian demand or dogma.
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/02/03 05:17 AM
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John, thank you for rephrasing my question. What would it take, in light of Sister White's testimony, to shake Adventism today? or in the future?
EW 270.2
I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause a shaking among God's people.
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/03/03 03:08 AM
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Yes Ikan, it is as you said.
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/03/03 03:28 AM
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What is the "straight truth" that will cause a shaking among Laodiceans? Is it being preached today? how can we identify the message? and is it purifying the membership of Adventism?
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/02/03 05:26 PM
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Thank you Mike. It is one thing to cite the well-worn quotes, it is quite the other thing to be the living transaction of it. As you can see this was not the qualifying trait proffered for the remnant in this thread. Was it? Now that the mask of Adventism is partly off, and a breach has been made in one of the walls (remnant doctrine) that Adventism has built between itself and God, while smugly thinking that it is between themselves and the world. The question of 'whose one is' is tested and answered by whether one is heeding/receiving the testimony of the faithful and true witness. But we have all heard numerous flowery sermons on the Laodicean condition, expounding the historical, geographical, economical, scholastical, etc virtues of Laodicea. Tucked in there somewhere was the 'warning message', but instead it made one feel rather proud and special to be Laodicean. Is it not fantastic how the word can be made to be pleasant and stupefying to the membership? Even the word that should make one broken and trembling!? And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes. Mark 1:22 It takes a genuine person to deliver a genuine message. One who has heeded the message to be the messenger. But as you see, since it is only one or few, it is easy for the majority 'to rise up against it' and to do away with such, as they did with the Lord, for such upset the common peace and content. There is the shaking. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12 Anyone who receives the message will experience this. Yes, to receive the word, means to be crucified with Christ. It is the Gospel applied. No longer living for self, not doing one's own will, one's own plans. But to count all things but dung, for the excellency of knowing Christ. Just as Ikan intimated. As the bride leaves her home, her own life, to become the wife; take on the new life of her husband, to give herself body, soul, and spirit to him (where have you seen such a marriage lately?). With all your strength, with your entire mind, with all your heart, with all your soul! It is such a marriage today, living each day that 'one life' with the Lord (which by the way is a delight). This is not church religion. This is not church going. This is not Adventism. This is LIFE ETERNAL. What does it take? Remember that it is all or nothing. It is not that we have, say, 70% and need the other 30%. The Lord has no part in part. If we think we have, say, 70%, then he has no part in it. It is not an addendum. What is the message? What Gospel does one have? There is no difference between the Gospel of Salvation and the message to Laodicea! It is the Gospel applied! It is shocking. You have crucified the Lord of glory! Shalom
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/02/03 07:01 PM
11/02/03 07:01 PM
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John, You had asked: quote:
What is the message?
Here is the message:
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Revelation 14:6-10
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
You had also asked:
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What Gospel does one have?
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Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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2 Timothy 4:3,4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
God Bless,
Will
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/02/03 08:30 PM
11/02/03 08:30 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by John Boskovic:
But we have all heard numerous flowery sermons on the Laodicean condition, expounding the historical, geographical, economical, scholastical, etc virtues of Laodicea. Tucked in there somewhere was the 'warning message', but instead it made one feel rather proud and special to be Laodicean. Is it not fantastic how the word can be made to be pleasant and stupefying to the membership? Even the word that should make one broken and trembling!?And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes. Mark 1:22 It takes a genuine person to deliver a genuine message. One who has heeded the message to be the messenger. But as you see, since it is only one or few, it is easy for the majority 'to rise up against it' and to do away with such, as they did with the Lord, for such upset the common peace and content. There is the shaking. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4
What is the message? What Gospel does one have?
There is no difference between the Gospel of Salvation and the message to Laodicea! It is the Gospel applied! It is shocking. You have crucified the Lord of glory!
Shalom
Hi
The virtues of being laodicea you say, I wasnt aware of the laodicea described in revelation having any virtues. What they do have is delusions and grace, grace in Jesus knocking at the door of their/our hearts. but virtues...
Proud to be laodicea, that would mean proud to be "wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked" or?
To will;
That is part of the message but not the whole, let me suggest another part.
"Matt 22:34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[2] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[3] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." "
And John 3:1-21
/Thomas
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/02/03 08:43 PM
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That's right västergötland ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) God Bless, Will
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Re: Whose are we?
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11/02/03 09:31 PM
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The condition of Laodicea is lukewarmness not doctrinal error. The counsel to Laodicea is to purchase gold, white raiment, and eyesalve. Once possessed of these things a Laodicean is ready for translation. But before the Remnant Church can proclaim the final warning messages it must be shaken and purified. Once purified the remaining members will boldly declare the truth under the influence of the latter rain. The faithful in Babylon will respond to the message and join the ranks of Adventism during the final crisis. Then Jesus will return to reward them with eternal life in the new earth. The Laodicean Church is the translation church.
Revelation
3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
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