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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/14/08 05:37 AM
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I don't understand what you're asking.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/14/08 05:38 PM
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Okay, let's go with your flow. Tell me again - Why are there victims needing God's comfort? Is it because God allows the Devil to victimize them? How does your formula play out in the following example:
A man follows a single mom and her child home from church. He lays in waiting until midnight. He sneaks in and hurts them. A pastor explains to them that God allows the Devil to do these kinds of things so that the onlooking universe can conclude sin is bad. Here's your formula: 1. God allows Satan to do his will. 2. Satan does his will, which results in victims. 3. God comforts the victims. How do you apply your formula to the scenario I described? In other words, where does #1 fit in the story, where does #2 fit in, and where does number #3 fit in? When did God allow Satan to do his will? What was Satan's will? How was it played out? Through whom or what was it played out? Who were the victims? How did God comfort them?
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/14/08 07:16 PM
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Evil people do evil things, contrary to God's will. These evil actions result in victims. God comforts these victims.
We see this happening in the life of Christ. Victims of Satan's were everywhere. Christ went from place to place to help them.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/15/08 02:08 AM
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Please explain how the various parts of your formula play out in the example I gave above. Thank you.
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/15/08 03:14 AM
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I did. What do you see an unexplained?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/15/08 06:03 PM
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1. Why does God allow Satan to victimize people?
2. How does comfort the victims He allows Satan to victimize?
3. What explanation does He give them as to why they were victimized?
4. What words does He use to comfort them?
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/15/08 09:01 PM
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1.Satan has free will. Job explains the interaction of God and Satan.
2.Through the Holy Spirit, and those whom the Holy Spirit works through.
3.See Job for one discussion of this.
4.Again, Job is one example. Study how Christ treated people. Many examples there.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/16/08 02:45 PM
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Are you saying the pastor in the example I described acts as God's comforter, that he comforts the mom and her daughter by explaining to them that God pointed them out to Satan and gave him permission to victimize them?
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/16/08 04:15 PM
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No, I'm not saying this. This doesn't even make sense to me. I mean, I don't know what you're trying to say.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Does God allow evil to run its course......
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09/16/08 07:14 PM
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Tom, let's back up a bit: Okay, let's go with your flow. Tell me again - Why are there victims needing God's comfort? Is it because God allows the Devil to victimize them? How does your formula play out in the following example:
A man follows a single mom and her child home from church. He lays in waiting until midnight. He sneaks in and hurts them. A pastor explains to them that God allows the Devil to do these kinds of things so that the onlooking universe can conclude sin is bad. Here's your formula: 1. God allows Satan to do his will. 2. Satan does his will, which results in victims. 3. God comforts the victims. How do you apply your formula to the scenario I described? In other words, where does #1 fit in the story, where does #2 fit in, and where does number #3 fit in? When did God allow Satan to do his will? What was Satan's will? How was it played out? Through whom or what was it played out? Who were the victims? How did God comfort them?
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