Will,

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EW 270.2
I asked the meaning of the shaking I had seen and was shown that it would be caused by the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause a shaking among God's people.

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This message is found in Rev 3:14-22

I do not dispute that the 3 Angels messages you quoted as well as all other are also applicable to Adventists, and need to be heard by Adventists.

Shalom

Yes Thomas, as incredible as it may seem Laodicea is proud to be Laodicea and finds comfort and security in being Laodicea.

Mike

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The condition of Laodicea is lukewarmness not doctrinal error.

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…and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

• Is it possible to hold truth in unrighteousness?

• Is it possible to understand the truth of the Lord without the spirit of the Lord?

• Is it possible to have truth, without it's riches?

• Is it possible to see without eyes?

• Is it possible to know, when the true witness says "knowest not"?

The counsel to Laodicea is to purchase gold, white raiment, and eyesalve. Once possessed of these things a Laodicean is no longer Laodicean.

Shalom

Hi John,

You had said:

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I do not dispute that the 3 Angels messages you quoted as well as all other are also applicable to Adventists, and need to be heard by Adventists.

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Do you mean only Seventh-Day Adventists, or do you agree that the 3 Angels message needs to be heard by everyone?
God has His people everywhere, and I believe that He is calling His people out of Babylon, and this people keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Do you agree with that? Sorry if I am going the long way but I wanted to understand if you only feel that the 3 Angels message is for Seventh-Day Adventist only or for the whole world.

God Bless,
Will

Thomas wrote - "Wheather being spiritually poor, blind and naked implies doctrinal error or not is an interesting point. Perhaps worth of further investigation."

Perhaps this quote can help shed some light on the subject:

FW 83.1
The True Witness says of a cold, lifeless, Christless church, "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of My mouth" (Revelation 3:15, 16). Mark the following words: "Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked." Here is represented a people who pride themselves in their possession of spiritual knowledge and advantages. But they have not responded to the unmerited blessings that God has bestowed upon them. They have been full of rebellion, ingratitude, and forgetfulness of God; and still He has dealt with them as a loving, forgiving father deals with an ungrateful, wayward son. They have resisted His grace, abused His privileges, slighted His opportunities, and have been satisfied to sink down in contentment, in lamentable ingratitude, hollow formalism, and hypocritical insincerity. With pharisaic pride they have vaunted themselves till it has been said of them, "Thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing" (verse 17).

John wrote - "The counsel to Laodicea is to purchase gold, white raiment, and eyesalve. Once possessed of these things a Laodicean is no longer Laodicean."

Interesting? I have always thought a Laodicean is someone who is a member of the Laodicean Church. Just because a Laodicean purchases the gold, white raiment and eyesalve does that suddenly mean he is no longer a member of the Laodicean Church? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it Laodiceans who overcome as Jesus overcame? who sing the song of Moses and the Lamb?

Revelation
3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Will, All messages are applicable to all, according to their spiritual condition.

Shalom

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Revelation 3:14-18

Our Condition Revealed.--The message to the Laodicean church reveals our condition as a people (RH Dec. 15, 1904). {7BC 961.3}

Message for the Idlers in the Vineyard.--To the idlers in the Lord's vineyard the Laodicean message is sent (MS 26, 1905). {7BC 961.4}

Application of Laodicean Message.--The message to the Laodicean church is applicable to all who have had great light and many opportunities, and yet have not appreciated them (RH March 11, 1902). {7BC 961.5}

Fervor of Love Lacking.--The message to the Laodicean church is applicable to our condition. How plainly is pictured the position of those who think they have all the truth, who take pride in their knowledge of the Word of God, while its sanctifying power has not been felt in their lives. The fervor of the love of God is wanting in their hearts, but it is this very fervor of love that makes God's people the light of the world (RH July 23, 1889). {7BC 961.6}

Laodicean Message for Adventists.--The message to the Laodicean church is highly applicable to us as a people. It has been placed before us for a long time, but has not been heeded as it should have been. When the work of repentance is earnest and deep, the individual members of the church will buy the rich goods of heaven. [Rev. 3:18 quoted.] Oh, how many behold things in a perverted light, in the light in which Satan would have them see. {7BC 961.7}

You may manifest great zeal in missionary effort, and yet because it is corrupted with selfishness, and tastes strongly of self, it is nought in the sight of God; for it is a tainted, corrupted offering. Unless the door of the heart is open to Jesus, unless He occupies the soul temple, unless the heart is imbued with His divine attributes, human actions when weighed in the heavenly balances, will be pronounced "Wanting." The love of Christ would make you rich; but many do not realize the value of His love. Many do not realize that the spirit which they cherish is destitute of the meekness and lowliness of Christ, destitute of the love that would constitute them channels of light (MS 33, 1894). {7BC 961.8}

Has God Made a Mistake?--The Laodicean message is applicable to the church at this time. Do you believe this message? Have you hearts that feel? Or are you constantly saying, We are rich and increased in goods, and have need of nothing? Is it in vain that the declaration of eternal truth has been given to this nation to be carried to all the nations of the world? God has chosen a people and made them the repositories of truth weighty with eternal results. To them has been given the light that must illuminate the world. Has God made a mistake? Are we indeed His chosen instrumentalities? Are we the men and women who are to bear to the world the messages of Revelation fourteen, to proclaim the message of salvation to those who are standing on the brink of ruin? Do we act as if we were (MS 51, 1901)? {7BC 961.9}

Professors but Not Doers.--The Laodicean message applies to all who profess to keep the law of God, and yet are not doers of it. We are not to be selfish in anything. Every phase of the Christian life is to be a representation of the life of Christ. If it is not, we shall hear the terrible words, "I know you not" (RH Oct. 17, 1899). {7BC 962.1}

An Insipid Religious Experience.--The message to the Laodicean church applies most decidedly to those whose religious experience is insipid, who do not bear decided witness in favor of the truth (Letter 98, 1901). {7BC 962.2}

"Hear, O Hear."--I tell you in the name of the Lord, that those who have had great light are today in the state described by Christ in His message to the Laodicean church. They think that they are rich, and increased in goods, and feel that they have need of nothing. Christ speaks to you. Hear, O hear, if you have any regard for your souls, the words of the great Counselor, and act upon them (Rev. 3:18 quoted] (Letter 5, 1897). {7BC 962.3}