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Re: Whose are we? #10271
11/04/03 01:50 AM
11/04/03 01:50 AM
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Okay. I believe God chose Israel to proclaim the gospel to everyone everywhere. When they rejected Jesus in AD 34, at the termination of their 490 year probationary time, I believe God chose the Church to finish preaching the gospel. Over the years the Church splintered, but through it all God preserved the truth through a remnant of saints. In 1844, after the Great Disappointment, I believe God raise up the SDA Church to proclaim the gospel and the three final warning messages. No other church organization can preach the whole truth about the gospel and the 3AM's. Yes, each one has bits and pieces of it, but only the SDA Church has been entrusted with all of it.

Your serve.

Re: Whose are we? #10272
11/04/03 02:11 AM
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Sorry to interrupt

Mike,
quote:
The message to the Laodicean church reveals our condition as a people

The message to the Laodicean church is applicable to all who have had great light and many opportunities, and yet have not appreciated them

The Laodicean message applies to all who profess to keep the law of God, and yet are not doers of it.

The message to the Laodicean church applies most decidedly to those whose religious experience is insipid,

How plainly is pictured the position of those who think they have all the truth, who take pride in their knowledge of the Word of God, while its sanctifying power has not been felt in their lives.

Oh, how many behold things in a perverted light, in the light in which Satan would have them see. {7BC 961.7}

The message to the Laodicean church reveals our condition as a people - not SDA qualification as the remnant organisation.

Perverted light is DOCTRINAL ERROR. HOWEVER, THEY THINK THEY HAVE ALL THE TRUTH.

Shalom

Re: Whose are we? #10273
11/04/03 02:17 AM
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Mike,
quote:
As I see it, the SDA church is the only religious organization in the world that can experience the Laodicean condition and counsel. Why? Because it is the only church since 1844 that God has given the truth about the 3AM's.
The condition of Laodicea is not dependent on having great light. The condition of Laodicea is a result of them thinking/believing that they have great light while they are in darkness. If they have had great light, that much more pathetic their situation.

Shalom

Re: Whose are we? #10274
11/04/03 02:37 AM
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Also Mike,

  • When did the Adventists change from Philadelphia to Laodicea? Why?
  • Was it a timeline; a particular prophetic date?
  • Did a particular organisation get formed to be the Laodicea of prophecy?


You know the testimony and the record. When the spiritual condition set in, then the message of Laodicea became applicable.

Laodicean message is applicable to Adventists, not because they are the last of the seven churches, but because they are Laodicean spiritually.

Shalom

Re: Whose are we? #10275
11/04/03 02:43 AM
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The letters to the seven Churches!

These letters were applicable to the respective Churches, existing at the time John received them.

These seven spiritual Characteristics have also been significant in sequence through history.

These seven spiritual Characteristics have been present continually, since the time they were testified.

The messages are applicable wherever/whenever the according conditions exist.

They are for WHOSOEVER HAS AN EAR TO HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAYS.

Shalom

Re: Whose are we? #10276
11/04/03 01:14 PM
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John, while I agree with the idea that any church organization can be guilty of lukewarmness I do not agree that Laodicea symbolizes any and all churches guilty of lukewarmness. According to the historical interpretation of prophecy the 7 churches trace the history of Christendom to the end of time. Since Laodicea is the last church it must necessarily represent the remnant church during the final crisis and second advent.

The prophecies focus on the chosen people of God, their mission and message, and the way the rest of the world responds to the final warning. Laodiceans are the ones who extend the offer to Babylonians to come out of Babylon - "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Rev 18:4. The only church since 1844 that can proclaim this message is the SDA Church. It is the only church that God has entrusted with the 3AM's.

Re: Whose are we? #10277
11/04/03 02:21 PM
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Hi,

The question is, how can we be so sure that the last scenes of earths history stand and fall with the SDA church only? For honestys sake, lets just conclude that SDA in the only church we know of with these characteristics. Perhaps the only church in the west, but the world is bigger than europe and america, what if God has risen other churches in other parts of the world? Can we really honestly say that acting on Gods side in the last scene is tightly bound to membership in this particular church...

/Thomas

Re: Whose are we? #10278
11/05/03 03:20 AM
11/05/03 03:20 AM
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Thomas, please show me another organization that God has commissioned to preach the 3AM's? I know of only one - the SDA Church. Is that arrogant or ignorant? Personally, I don't think so, at least not any more than what Jesus said to the Samaritan women - "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." John 4:22.

If God doesn't have a chosen church to share the truth about the 3AM's then God is cruel. Why? Reread the 3AM's! How can God promise such certain destruction without first explaining the warnings? Our Lord and Saviour doesn't operate that way. That's why He commissioned the SDA Church to warn the world first. As it was in the days of Noah!

Re: Whose are we? #10279
11/04/03 07:55 PM
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I dont know any other church, but Im not ready to limmit God by my ignorance... I have to ask, what is a church? Is the church the organisation with the headquarters in the GC building in washington or is the church the members. Is your local church defined by the building you gather in or by the members who gather in the building? When the warning goes out from the church, what is the focal point? Is the important thing the program for missionary x amount of people before z date or is the important thing the humans, the christians who acctually do something to bring the word to those who dont know yet? I dont think God needs a human organisation to give people the three angles message, what God needs is humans, individuals who are willing to go out and witness and share.

/Thomas

Re: Whose are we? #10280
11/05/03 01:09 AM
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Mike, you did not answer any of my questions.

Shalom

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