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Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: Mountain Man] #101104
07/22/08 08:53 PM
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Tom, would say God did something "evil" if He, for example, caused a flood that killed everyone and everything on the planet save 8 souls and certain fish?


You like to ask yes/no questions that can't be answered yes or no, don't you? \:\)


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: Tom] #101206
07/29/08 11:02 PM
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With regard to this question of "Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying?"
What is a Chistian to do when the institution is the one that bearsfalse witness/lies aginst you. This is to say, not to assume that the institution is doing so (bearing false witness/lie), but to have 100% knowledge that they have.
-To control oneself, and to strive to keep that control that only comes through Him is my life goal and continual aim, so what should/needs a Christian to do when an institution bears false witness??

Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: D R] #101269
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Hi Dan,

What did Jesus do when the institution bore false witness against him?

He didn't miss a beat. He wasn't sent to battle institutions but to impart truth to individuals. He didn't even dare rail against the devil. He exposed the vipers for who they were but never protested for his own welfare. He knew the prophecies, so fully expected to be called a bastard, false christ, glutton, winebibber, and to be scourged, spit upon and crucified. It made Him sad for His tormentors (His own family), but not for Himself.

If He had NOT received such treatment, He would've known there was something wrong with Himself & His message, for the prophecies would be unfulfilled.

All Christians should expect to be persecuted. And we should all be trained in this truth until it sinks down in our ears. "All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution [by the institution]" (2 Timothy 3:12) Enoch, Moses, Elijah, Daniel, Paul, Luther, etc. It's an identifying mark to be persecuted by the institution.

(If you are not suffering persecution by the institution, something is wrong. So praise the Lord for this experience and the good company of angels who have seen our forefathers tread the same path.)

Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: gordonb1] #101274
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"I'd Rather Live in the Valley" - campmeeting duet:

http://www.restorationministry.com/video/Songs/Id%20rather%20live.htm

Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: Tom] #101956
08/26/08 04:51 PM
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MM: Tom, would you say God did something "evil" if He, for example, caused a flood that killed everyone and everything on the planet save 8 souls and certain fish?

TE: You like to ask yes/no questions that can't be answered yes or no, don't you? \:\)

And you seem to dodge questions which require a yes or no answer. Is it "evil" when God destroys impenitent sinners? The obvious answer is - NO!

Isaiah
45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

Matthew
10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: D R] #101957
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 Originally Posted By: BeachBubbaDan (BBD)
With regard to this question of "Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying?"
What is a Chistian to do when the institution is the one that bearsfalse witness/lies aginst you. This is to say, not to assume that the institution is doing so (bearing false witness/lie), but to have 100% knowledge that they have.
-To control oneself, and to strive to keep that control that only comes through Him is my life goal and continual aim, so what should/needs a Christian to do when an institution bears false witness??

Hey Buddy,

How is it going? Have you made any headway?

Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: Mountain Man] #102150
08/30/08 03:28 PM
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yes, we have! Thank you MM.
We are still walking with the Lord and have shaken the dust from our sandals. \:\)
God is not just GOOD, He is GREAT!
It was a true pleasure to see you this summer and to hear you preach HIS word! That was a true touchstone moment for me.
The situation that I have been strugling with has no win-win situation, so we have decided to keep in the Lord and not let "them" win.

Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: D R] #102159
08/30/08 06:50 PM
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I am also very disappointed in what is going on there.

Maybe this will result in some type of a revolt amongst the rank and the file participants there?

Isn't there an appeal system to go to?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: Daryl] #102216
09/01/08 03:43 PM
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Dan,

I am happy to hear you say you guys are keeping your eyes on Jesus, that you are not letting this trial destroy your walk in the Lord, or your faith in the mission and message of the SDA Church. You're right, buddy, God is GREAT!!!

If there is some way to redress this situation, then I hope and pray Jesus will help you see it through. Sometimes doing the right thing requires a struggle and a heartache. Jesus is your Friend, buddy, hang in there.

Love ya, bro.

PS - I'm also glad Jesus blessed you through the messages I shared during CM. God is good.

Re: Is There A Difference Between Bearing False Witness And Lying? [Re: Mountain Man] #103102
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Bear False witness = to not be telling the truth = lying.

bear True witness = to tell the truth = honest

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