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Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN #103544
10/12/08 04:51 PM
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Here is the link for discussing this week's study:

http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/08d/less03nkjv.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: Daryl] #103545
10/12/08 05:02 PM
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The Key Thought of this week's study is to look at the Fall and the horrible results it brought to humanity.

God only had one simple and easy prohibition, but look what Adam and Eve did and what the simple eating of fruit from one tree of all the trees in the Garden of Eden brought upon the whole world.


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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: Daryl] #103548
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This is from today's lesson:

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The word rebellion is not used in Genesis 1–3 to describe the sin of Adam and Eve, but the idea is nevertheless present. Not only did they openly violate a divine command, but in the process of disobedience, they shifted loyalties. Eve listened to the reasoning of the enemy and thought it more reliable than the explicit word of God. She concluded that the divine command was too restrictive, and that in order to achieve her highest potential she had to claim independence from her Creator. This was rebellion.


This is the same thing that Lucifer did in heaven - he opted for withdrawing his allegiance from God and shifting it to himsef. His angels shifted their allegiance to him, and so did Adam and Eve. This is rebellion, willful disobedience - it's opting for shifting loyalties, it's opting for independence of the Creator.

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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: Rosangela] #103549
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While some may object, it's clear that one who is deceived is still able to rebel.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: asygo] #103551
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We know that Eve was deceived, however, as Adam knew what he was doing, wasn't Adam the one who rebelled and sealed man's fate?


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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: Daryl] #103556
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 Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
We know that Eve was deceived, however, as Adam knew what he was doing, wasn't Adam the one who rebelled and sealed man's fate?

As covered in another thread, which I will not reference now because I forgot which thread it is , both were deceived and both rebelled.

But it is true that Adam's rebellion was the one that sealed the deal. For one, he was the representative of the race. And for two, it was his rebellion that made it 100% failure for the humans.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: asygo] #103566
10/13/08 01:14 AM
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It's the suicide thread.


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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: Tom] #103576
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Yes, that's it. But we must admit that MM hasn't fully bought in to the idea yet.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: asygo] #103610
10/14/08 03:23 PM
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In what sense was Eve deceived? The angels explained the fall of Lucifer and his desire to cause her to fall.

In what sense was Adam deceived? The angels explained the fall of Lucifer and his desire to cause his to fall. Adam acknowledged as much before he ate the fruit.

In what sense did Eve rebel? She thought that by eating the fruit it would make her more like God.

In what sense did Adam rebel? He braved eating the fruit hoping God would cut them slack.

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Re: Lesson #3 - The Fall Into SIN [Re: Mountain Man] #103619
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They were deceived by believing the devil's lies about God, specifically that God was not trustworthy and did not have their best interests at heart. Had Eve trusted God, she would have gone to Him with her dilemma to get counsel from God, and likewise Adam.

They rebelled by joining Satan's side of the GC. They joined Satan's side by believing his lies about God and His government. Had God not intervened by grace, man would have wound up in the same condition as Satan, as bitterly opposed to God and Satan and his angelic followers are.


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