To understand the force of what I am saying Counsel is important. Mrs. White says;

"The true people of God, who have the spirit of the work of the Lord and the salvation of souls at heart, will ever view sin in its real, sinful character. They will always be on the side of faithful and plain dealing with sins which easily beset the people of God. Especially in the closing work for the church, in the sealing time of the one hundred and forty-four thousand who are to stand without fault before the throne of God, will they feel most deeply the wrongs of God's professed people" {3 T 266}

And also, water that does not run will stagnate, and stagnate water takes a life of its own, however it becomes polluted and foul, like a sesspool.

As a people we are told to advance with the light if not, we become like the Angel (A of A 585,86; Ministry) Really, we cannot see that we need any more light than the old truth which we have hitherto received, and in which we are settled. While we hold to this position, the testimony of the True Witness applies to our cases its rebuke, "And knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked." Those who feel rich and increased with goods and in need of nothing, are in a condition of blindness as to their true condition before God, and they know it not.--Review and Herald, August 7, 1894. {CW 33.1} And this behavious will manifest itself in the church by going backward into the world.

Seveth-day Adventism has done that, this shows up in the behaviour found in the congregation. And what is being shared can be found on the sermon tapes of this church the most recent Jan. 10th.

The congregational prayer when the everyone kneeled, the opening words in cluded "others worship you under the name of Shiva, Allah," and the name of another pagan god was mentioned. Yahweh says,

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

The word LORD here when examined in the Hebrew says, YAHWEH, also known as Jehovah, and other variations. Yah, God, Weh Salvation, God is my Salvation.

Shiva incarnaters her people into flies, gnates and other nasty creatures that carry desease. Hinduism is at odds with the Creator of the Universe.

Allah commands that his followers kill the infidel who refuses to convert, there is no free will and his people live in fear, The Living God is a God of love, giving mankind the right think for himself.

The Living God will never share his glory with followers of Satan. This is the same conference church that opened up the prayer with "Dear father god mother god, A direct condemnation of Ezeckiel 8.

In anothe SDA church they were selling produce, taking orders in church, between Sabbath School and Church, In many contrary to counsel clapping hands giving the glory to the individual rather than God is rampant. Children run all over the church showing alack reverence while parents sit there and do nothing. A persn can list the abominations that are prolific in the congregation, all because the ministry refuse to advance with light or refuse to also teach reverence for God's law. The SS class that I occasionally sit in does not always begin with prayer and almost never ends with prayer, Where is the LORDS'S presence in this house. I wish I could say this was isolated, yet in another church, in another state I asked the class instructor why he did not advocate prayer in the classroom, he said we prayed once in the congregation, God heard us then, we don't need to nag him. Such logic is incomprehensible to me.

This Conference church sits adjacent to the Seventh-day Adventist Hopital, one of the larger here in Portland.

I have lived in many communities and have been many places in America, and the abominations are rampant. Therefore it is most important to study the Scriptures and let no man be your leader.

Henry

And no, Thomas there was not outrage, The complacency of the the people in the condition of Laodicea is rampant.

That vast majority do not even know what the word Laodicea means, therefore they unknowingly live in the condemnation of the condition applied to its leadership.

I see. The old ecumenical "everybody worships the same God, just under different names" routine.

And are those sermon tapes online anywhere?

Sorry to hear of that development in Portland Whitlie. I'll take your word for it. It is one more sign of the times, and assuming it's true, a sign of our spiritual blindness.

I agree that we can't rely on other's opinions, but these opinions are not automatically wrong because they come from non-Adventist sources. Nor are they necessarily from unsanctified sources. They may come from those who are more faithful to the light that they have than we are. But, everything should be tested against the Word.

No John they are not online.

There are many good articles that speak of these things to come in Ellen G. Whites Writings, what is disturbing to me, is a conversation with a leader of an independent movement. When he was shown some things in EGW's writings, he disagreed because they were contrary to previous SDA positions. I mentioned But Mrs White says new light will come. He is nearly 80 and he says yes, when it come's. To him new light is in the future. Well EGW has been dead 89 years, Where is this new light? She points out that as the word gets deeper it will be called a false light. Well as I pointed out the other day. Ellen G. White states that when Christ shall come, his feet will touch the earth on Mt of Olivet. When he comes in his fathers glory the dead in Christ shall arise. Here she is stating a coming before the traditional 2ond coming an not in his fathers glory. See Gr. Cont. 359.1 and Desire of the Ages, 830. This along with the study on the Trumpets as a SAnctuary message rather than a secular history are present truth and meat in due season.

At the moment I am preparing my FEast of Purim newsletter, this is the story of Esther and how Mrs White says it applies to us today. This story she points out relates to the NSL here in the States I firmly beleive though it also relates especially to Canada, Australia, New Zeland and the Republid of South Africa.

Whitlee

Whitlie,

Jesus doesn't touch down on the Mount of Olives at His second coming. That happens at the third coming, after the 1000 years spent in heaven, when New Jerusalem comes down from heaven to earth:

"Christ descends upon the Mount of Olives, whence, after His resurrection, He ascended, and where angels repeated the promise of His return. Says the prophet, 'The Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.' 'And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof, . . . and there shall be a very great valley.' 'And the Lord shall be King over all the earth. In that day shall there be one Lord, and His name one.' Zech. 14:5, 4, 9. As the New Jerusalem, in its dazzling splendor, comes down out of Heaven, it rests upon the place purified and made ready to receive it, and Christ with His people and the angels, enters the holy city." GC 662

"At the end of the 1,000 years Jesus, with the holy angels and all the saints, leaves the city, and while He is descending with them the wicked dead are raised, and then the very men that pierced Him (Rev. 1:7) will see Him afar off in all His glory, and all the holy angels and the saints with Him. They will see the prints of the nails in His hands and in His feet, and where they thrust the spear into His side, and they will wail because of Him. I saw that the prints of the nails and of the spear were His glory.

"Then it is that Jesus stands upon the Mount of Olives and the Mount parts asunder and becomes a plain, and the city comes down from God out of heaven and settles on the plain." 12MR 249 (1850)

Regarding the second coming, Paul wrote,

"For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17

John said what I was also going to say in reaction to what whitlie posted about Christ touching the earth.

Christ doesn't touch the earth at His second coming, however, He does touch the earth at the end of the 1,000 years when He touches the earth in preparing the earth to receive the New Jerusalem as it comes to a landing on the earth.

We need to be careful that we don't attribute what EGW says to the wrong time in which it is said to happen.

On its sloping descent He had found a home with Lazarus at Bethany. In the garden of Gethsemane at its foot He had prayed and agonized alone. From
Brethren this is the Desire of Ages Statement. The context is not at the end of the 1000 years, if it were so I could agree with you. This state along with the Great Controversy statement 359.1 is the issue.

It's only source of reference is Zech. 14:4, and th context their is the righteous flee to where his feet stand. The righteous do not flee, at the end of the 1000, years they come with.

So there is a theological problem that needs deeper research.

Is Ellen G. White in harmony in Early Writings or is she using it for an illustrative purpose, which is her right to do


"this mountain He was to ascend to heaven. Upon its summit His feet will rest when He shall come again. Not as a man of sorrows, but as a glorious and triumphant king He will stand upon Olivet, while Hebrew hallelujahs mingle with Gentile hosannas, and the voices of the redeemed as a mighty host shall swell the acclamation, "Crown Him Lord of all!" {DA 829.2}

The decription here says Hebrews and gentiles, will praise him,When he comes! at the end of the 1000 years there are not records that there will "Hebrews and Gentiles" so this poses a new thought, How do we read her and what Scriptures are there to support her when she herself says let the Bible be your unerring guide.

These two statements were shown to me last spring so they are very new to me.

Henry

I found the quote in the previous post most interesting in which it seems that Christ will touch the earth at His second coming.

How would you answer this?

Other places clearly put Him touching down on the Mount of Olives after the 1000 years.

"The saints will rest in the Holy City and reign as kings and priests one thousand years; then Jesus will descend with the saints upon the Mount of Olives, and the mount will part asunder and become a mighty plain for the Paradise of God to rest upon."
{EW 51.3}


"At the close of the thousand years, Christ again returns to the earth. . . . Christ descends upon the Mount of Olives, whence, after His resurrection, He ascended, and where angels repeated the promise of His return. Says the prophet, 'The Lord my God shall come, and all the
saints with thee.' 'And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof, . . . and there shall be a very great valley.' 'And the Lord shall be King over all the earth. In that day shall there be one Lord, and His name one.' Zech. 14:5, 4, 9. As the New Jerusalem, in its dazzling splendor, comes down out of Heaven, it rests upon the place purified and made ready to receive it, and Christ with His people and the angels, enters the holy city."
{GC 662 Para. 1, 3}

I see no reason why the redeemed can't be called Hebrews and Gentiles at that later date...that's what they were in earthly life. Jesus was a Hebrew, and as regards His humanity He can always be thought of as coming from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob throughout eternity.