The Hebraic system of justice was based on restoration, not retribution. http://www.peaceworkmagazine.org/pwork/0499/049910.htm is something to look at.

I have an even better link on the subject I can supply later.

i was refering to whoever wrote whatever that you were recommending.



sorry for the confusion, i was refering to moore, since arnold had brought him up, but i didnt make that clear. i dont remember if i had seen anything by you.....



yes, i can say the same thing you and ten others are saying and we each one mean something completely different!!!!

i truly believe the latter rain has been falling!!

Here's the other link: http://sharktacos.com/God/cross1.html

Look at the part that speaks of justice and mercy.

Nearly as bad as the variety of meanings entertained among supporters, institutional and individual, of the trinity God! On the humanity of Jesus there is clarity of original teachings - confirmed by the information in that link, and thus of priorities for our belief - it is known what the church started with, so our assessment of what matters for our message and existence shows itself for our various eschatological, Gospel outlooks.

We seem to be having an invasion of smileys.

But does all sinful behavior result in sinners suffering? For example, will two non-believers, who are unmarried in the eyes of God, naturally feel shame and guilt?

Does ignorance cancel out the results of sinning? Or, does sin pay its wages irrespective of ignorance? If not, how can we say sinners reap what they sow?

If people can break one of the commandments without feeling any shame or sorrow, why couldn't they break all ten without feeling any ill effects? Are the consequences of sinning natural or not? Are they arbitrary?

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth unto his own flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth unto the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap eternal life.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Galatians 6:7. God destroys no man. Every man who is destroyed will destroy himself. When a man stifles the admonitions of conscience, he sows the seeds of unbelief and these produce a sure harvest.... {OHC 26.4}
"They would none of my counsel, they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil." Proverbs 1:30-33. {OHC 26.5}

"Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Galatians 6:6, 7). Wonderful truth! This is a two-edged sword which cuts both ways. This life and death question is before the whole human race. The choice we make in this life will be our choice through all eternity. We shall receive either eternal life or eternal death. There is no middle ground, no second probation. {RC 287.5}

i guess it all depends on how we read and understand these verses.

the second coming:
The very ones that once admired them most will pronounce the most dreadful curses upon them. The very hands that once crowned them with laurels will be raised for their destruction. The swords which were to slay God's people are now employed to destroy their enemies. Everywhere there is strife and bloodshed. {GC 655.4}

The work of destruction begins among those who have professed to be the spiritual guardians of the people. The false watchmen are the first to fall. There are none to pity or to spare. Men, women, maidens, and little children perish together. {GC 656.2}

In the mad strife of their own fierce passions, and by the awful outpouring of God's unmingled wrath, fall the wicked inhabitants of the earth--priests, rulers, and people, rich and poor, high and low. "And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried." Jeremiah 25:33. {GC 656.3}


the third coming with the new jerusalem:
The wicked are filled with the same hatred of God that inspires Satan; but they see that their case is hopeless, that they cannot prevail against Jehovah. Their rage is kindled against Satan and those who have been his agents in deception. With the fury of demons they turn upon them, and there follows a scene of universal strife. {4SP 487.1}

Excellent! So you do agree that it's possible to ignorant of breaking one of the last six commandments! This is exactly one of the examples I gave of this, btw.

Those are excellent quotes provided by Teresa. She's dealing with an important theme that I haven't discussed much, which is another aspect of what happens when God withdraws His protective powers, a type of self-destruction that the wicked reak on each other.