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Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE #105660
12/06/08 05:42 PM
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Here is the link to the study/discussion material for Lesson #11:

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In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: Daryl] #105661
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As it says in the Sabbath Afternoon section, "All the benefits of the cross are at our disposal through faith in His atoning sacrifice."


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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: Daryl] #105663
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Does the following comment in Sunday's section mean that Christ's sacrificial death on the cross wasn't in itself sufficient for forgiveness of sin, salvation, and hope of eternal life?
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The doctrinal significance of the bodily resurrection of Christ is of utmost importance, because without it there is no forgiveness of sin, no salvation, and no hope of eternal life.


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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: Daryl] #105697
12/07/08 03:02 AM
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Does the following comment in Sunday's section mean that Christ's sacrificial death on the cross wasn't in itself sufficient for forgiveness of sin, salvation, and hope of eternal life?

The doctrinal significance of the bodily resurrection of Christ is of utmost importance, because without it there is no forgiveness of sin, no salvation, and no hope of eternal life.


The cross was a revelation of the truth: the truth about God, about us, and about sin. That truth draws us to repentance:

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How, then, are we to be saved? "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness," so the Son of man has been lifted up, and everyone who has been deceived and bitten by the serpent may look and live. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29. The light shining from the cross reveals the love of God. His love is drawing us to Himself. If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour. Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul. (DA 175)


Salvation and forgiveness come when we respond to the light shining from the cross.

To answer your question, no, the cross is not sufficient of itself for our salvation/forgiveness because that depends upon our response. The cross is means by which we are drawn to God, but although God has given His all to us in Christ, we can still refuse to respond to His drawing.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: Tom] #105702
12/07/08 04:59 AM
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Another reason why Jesus could not remain in the grave is due to the fact Satan must die with the sins of the saved in the lake of fire. Jesus earned the right on the cross to own the sins and second death of mankind by consuming and conquering them. To eliminate them Jesus must place them upon the head of Satan and upon the heads of the unsaved. To do this He must be alive.

Jesus must also be alive to mediate on behalf of the saved in the heavenly sanctuary. Without it mankind cannot approach the throne of God. We would have to die the second death with our sins in order to eliminate sin and death from the Universe. Of course, if Jesus did not rise from the grave God would be forced to destroy all FMAs because He would be unable to retain their respect and obedience.

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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: Mountain Man] #105760
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The theory of MM's post is all true, but positively & pragmatically speaking Jesus' entire experience - including his resurrection is essential to the Gospel for us & in us!

Rom 4:25 may accurately also be translated:"He was lifted up because of our offences, and he was raised up because of our justification." We can die to sin and self because of his death, as that text says, and we can be born again solely because of his resurrection: thus the Gospel of salvation commenses with the resurrection, by which event the Pioneer and Perfector of our faith had completed "the faith of Jesus" for us - not before. To put it another way, if Christ be not raised from the dead, then there is no way for us to be reborn, born from above or however else you wish to express justification by faith.

Yes, there would be no Gospel at all!

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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: Colin] #105777
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Another reason why Jesus could not remain in the grave is due to the fact Satan must die with the sins of the saved in the lake of fire.


This isn't true. First of all, sins are wrong actions and thoughts. These are not things which can be transferred from one being to another. The placing of the hands upon the scape goat by the strong man represents the scape goat bearing the responsibility for the sins he has caused. This applies not only to the sins of the saved, but the lost as well.

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Satan bore not only the weight and punishment of his own sins, but also of the sins of the redeemed host, which had been placed upon him; and he must also suffer for the ruin of souls which he had caused.(EW 295; emphasis mine)


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We would have to die the second death with our sins in order to eliminate sin and death from the Universe.


Sin abides in only one place, and that is in the mind of those who cherish it. We will only have to die the second death to eliminate sin and death from the Universe if we insist on clinging to it.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: Tom] #105797
12/08/08 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Tom
First of all, sins are wrong actions and thoughts. These are not things which can be transferred from one being to another. ... Sin abides in only one place, and that is in the mind of those who cherish it.

If so, in what sense did Jesus bear our sins? And in what sense did our guilt crush Him?

Was it merely a matter of extreme empathy? If so, the Father, who would be at least as empathetic as Jesus, would also have borne our sins and guilt. Moreover, assuming they are as empathetic today as they were then, they are still bearing our sins and guilt.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: asygo] #105803
12/08/08 05:58 PM
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I also agree with this part of Sunday's study:
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The death of Christ would not have had any atoning or forgiving power had it not been followed by the resurrection of the Lord. Consequently we should not restrict the atoning work of Christ to a single event within God’s plan of salvation. The Cross and the resurrection are two parts of one inseparable work of redemption.


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Re: Lesson #11 - Benefits of Christ's Atoning SACRIFICE [Re: Daryl] #105804
12/08/08 06:03 PM
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I also agree with the following from Monday's study:
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The death and resurrection of Christ make possible the mediation of Christ before the Father. Christ’s mediation means that human sin and guilt are not irrelevant before the Lord in heaven. It’s only through Christ’s work for us that we receive the benefits of His sacrificial death. Guilt and sin continue to be part of the human experience in the sight of God. That makes the role of our Mediator before the Father an indispensable element in the plan of salvation.

The Plan of Salvation didn't end at the Cross, but continued through His resurrection and ascension into Heaven where He is our Mediator before the Father. This is part of His work as our High Priest.


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