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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
[Re: Rosangela]
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12/14/08 05:14 PM
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There's something from Ty Gibson (don't have access to it right now) which says there is nothing more soothing to the human psyche than to be fully known yet fully loved. God knows us as we are, warts and all, yet loves us. He accepts us, not condemning us, while working with us to save us from the sin which would destroy us: 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. (John 8)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
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12/14/08 05:25 PM
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God condemns sin, and if we have sins upon us we will obviously feel condemned.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
[Re: Rosangela]
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12/14/08 05:35 PM
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Right, but the source of our condemnation is the sin itself, not God. Sin causes us to believe things about God which are not true, to view Him in a way He is not. Sin separates us from God.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
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12/14/08 05:41 PM
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The point is, God condemns sin, therefore sin can't be upon us. That's what imputed righteousness is all about.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
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12/14/08 05:48 PM
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Sin is lethal, therefore God condemns it. Sin would be lethal regardless of whether or not God condemned it. But because sin is evil, causing death to those whom God loves, He condemns it.
The problem is sin, not God's condemnation of sin. If a strategy were worked out which somehow allowed God not to condemn sin, but the actual sin still remained in the person, that sin would still be just as deadly as before. Imputed righteousness is about dealing with the problem of sin itself, not simply God's condemnation of it.
For example, in the Isaiah passage it says, "Your iniquity is taken away."
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
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12/14/08 06:04 PM
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Sin is lethal, therefore God condemns it. Sin would be lethal regardless of whether or not God condemned it. But because sin is evil, causing death to those whom God loves, He condemns it. And if someone does something that God condemns because he could not see any reason why God condemns it, would it still be lethal?
By God's grace,
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
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12/14/08 06:09 PM
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T:Sin is lethal, therefore God condemns it. Sin would be lethal regardless of whether or not God condemned it. But because sin is evil, causing death to those whom God loves, He condemns it.
A:And if someone does something that God condemns because he could not see any reason why God condemns it, would it still be lethal? The following discusses this question: Said the angel: "If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject."(EW 73)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
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12/14/08 06:56 PM
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Sin would be lethal regardless of whether or not God condemned it. God condemns it not just because it's lethal. God condemns it because it's bad. God could prevent Satan from reaping the full result of his sin for ever, then it would not be lethal. However, it would still be bad, and God would still condemn it.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
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12/14/08 08:13 PM
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Regarding the wedding garment, here's a nice quote: When we submit ourselves to Christ, the heart is united with His heart, the will is merged in His will, the mind becomes one with His mind, the thoughts are brought into captivity to Him; we live His life. This is what it means to be clothed with the garment of His righteousness. Then as the Lord looks upon us He sees, not the fig-leaf garment, not the nakedness and deformity of sin, but His own robe of righteousness, which is perfect obedience to the law of Jehovah. (COL 312) thanks, i love such quotes. i dont have a problem with God seeing me just as i am. i dont have a problem with others seeing me just as i am-except for the judger/condemner types.  good point about Jesus seeing us just as we are and He is as much God as the Father is.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Is this person saved or lost?
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12/14/08 08:28 PM
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Sin would be lethal regardless of whether or not God condemned it. God condemns it not just because it's lethal. God condemns it because it's bad. God could prevent Satan from reaping the full result of his sin for ever, then it would not be lethal. However, it would still be bad, and God would still condemn it. how do you see the difference? if God wasnt holding back the winds what would we do to each other?
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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