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Re: God's love not unconditional
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02/18/14 06:34 AM
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He pitied and loved not only those who sought to be obedient and loving, but those also who were wayward and perverse. Jesus has not changed; He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and He still loves and pities the erring, seeking to draw them to Himself, that He may give them divine aid. He knows that a demon power is struggling in every soul, striving for the mastery; but Jesus came to break the power of Satan and to set the captives free. {ML 300.3}
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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In "Address to Ministers" (Testimonies, vol. 2), Mrs. White also writes: The hateful sin of selfishness exists to a great degree, even in some who profess to be devoted to the work of God. If they would compare their character with His requirements, especially with the great standard, His holy, just, and good law, they would ascertain, if earnest, honest searchers, that they are fearfully wanting. But some are not willing to look far enough or deep enough to see the depravity of their own hearts. They are wanting in very many respects; yet they remain in willing ignorance of their guilt, and are so intent upon caring for their own interests that God has no care for them. {2T 512.2} Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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02/18/14 01:55 PM
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I guess the clarification I would make is this; God's love is conditional upon our choice. God's desire has always been for all His creatures to be saved. Unfortunately, we disagree with God and end up choosing to be lost.
That is not God's fault!
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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The doctrine of God's unconditional love is probably the worst error to enter the churches, Babylon and Laodicea, in the last 100 years. Why is this error passed over so lightly? How did it ever get accepted in the first place? Does anyone have any thots/info on this? quote:
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
![[Heart]](graemlins/heart.gif) My best guess is that we were just ashamed that the evangelicals were calling us a cult! So, we decided to be more like them. What a huge mistake.
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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02/18/14 03:26 PM
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I guess the clarification I would make is this; God's love is conditional upon our choice. God's desire has always been for all His creatures to be saved. Unfortunately, we disagree with God and end up choosing to be lost.
That is not God's fault! I think previous posters had said it was unconditional. Us choosing to be lost, does not change the condition of His love. But maybe you are questioning the definition of love. And does it mean the same as "care"?
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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I found it very interesting to skim through this whole thread, seeing how you have wrestled with such as issue before.
It was good to see you posting here, Daryl, and I am in full agreement with everything you said.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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02/18/14 06:53 PM
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Does God's love = salvation?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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02/18/14 08:07 PM
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Does God's love = salvation? No, there is no salvation without acceptance
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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02/19/14 02:37 AM
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Does God save everyone he loves? Does He love only the saved?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: God's love not unconditional
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02/19/14 05:06 PM
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"God is love." They cannot not love. Their love is unconditional. However, salvation is very much conditional.
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