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Re: The Lower and Higher Natures by Kevin D Paulson
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no brother. that Jesus was somehow sinful like us is not the essence of righteousness by faith. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Cor. 5:21)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Lower and Higher Natures by Kevin D Paulson
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Tom:teresa, you can take a look at W. W. Prescott's sermon, which was about Christ's taking our sinful flesh, and take a look at it, as well as her endorsement of it, and see that her endorsement of it was similar to what you put in bold red from 3SM, as well as the context of Prescott's sermon being similar to what Jones and Waggoner taught. teresa:Out of curiousity why didnt you put the source of her statement? Just laziness. I've already quoted it several times already, with the source. In the evening Professor Prescott gave a most valuable lesson, precious as gold. The tent was full, and many stood outside. All seemed to be fascinated with the word, as he presented the truth in lines so new to those not of our faith. Truth was separated from error, and made, by the divine Spirit, to shine like precious jewels. (The Review and Herald, January 7, 1896)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Lower and Higher Natures by Kevin D Paulson
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Take a look at the 10 points listed, via the link of that name, on the home page of www.gospel-herald.com for a pretty thorough coverage of the message, as thus far suggested: this list was drawn up by the voluntary Message Study Committee, a group of pastors and laity existing since about 1985 out of pure frustration at the church's lack of study into the matter amid continuing confusion about the gospel as a church, let alone just what was preached by Waggoner and Jones. Just a small point of correction. This web-site was put up by an individual, who at the time was a part of the 1888 Message Study Committee (MSC), but this web page is simply his own web site. The 1888 MSC has its own web page, which is www.1888msc.org (it's down right now for renovations).
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Lower and Higher Natures by Kevin D Paulson
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To be yet more concise: grace is sovereignly effected for us in Christ's person & actions: that he rose from the dead makes him the world's actual redeemer because he is, not because the world knows it - which it doesn't, obviously! He is their redeemer whether they like it or not. Interesting, that Jesus effected some aspect of redemption apart from the participation and even the knowledge of those being redeemed.
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: The Lower and Higher Natures by Kevin D Paulson
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Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Jesus Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. me Add Mary, the mother of Jesus, right beside "me" (above)
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Re: The Lower and Higher Natures by Kevin D Paulson
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And Paul says, in 1 Tim 4:10 we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.
This text says it very well, and the GC can't really get round it - still maintaining that God can do an awful lot, but not anything really effective re salvation. Here is a study limiting God's sovereignty, even without humans in any way limiting him. http://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/documents/Justification1Tm4,10.htm Last quarter the lesson, written incidentally by the same scholar, allowed for Jesus personally to be Saviour by grace, but not for the world actually to be saved by grace, before faith for faith (somewhat as per Rom 1:17a). Quite an anomaly.
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Re: The Lower and Higher Natures by Kevin D Paulson
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I hadn't thought of 1 Tim. 4:10 in a long time. Yes, that's a very good one. Some other scripture texts are 2 Cor. 5:14, 15, 19, Isa. 44:22, 1 John 2:2, and Romans 5:18. 14For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again...God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. (2 Cor. 5) Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.(Romans 5:18) I have blotted out, like a thick cloud, your transgressions,
And like a cloud, your sins.
Return to Me, for I have redeemed you.” (Isa. 44:22) First two quotes are NIV, last one NKJV. The Isaiah quote is interesting because it brings out that God calls for us to return to Him on the basis of having blotted out our transgressions and having redeemed us. Since this is referring to an action God has taken, as apart from man, this must include all. I think the 2 Cor. 5 and Romans 5 quotes speak for themselves. All men were included in Christ's work, as Paul explains. Here's an SOP quote on the same theme, reminiscent of 2 Cor. 5:19: He (Christ) took in His grasp the world over which Satan claimed to preside as his lawful territory, and by His wonderful work in giving His life, He restored the whole race of men to favor with God. (1SM 343) Here Christ effected a work encompassing the "whole race of men."
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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