MM, why do you have to have a specific direct statement? When Ellen White explains Moses understood the gospel, you still want a direct statement from Moses to say, "I understand the gospel as it relates to the death of Jesus and it is clearly reflected in everything I've written"? Would you expect Moses to say that regardless of whether he understood it or not?

And what is clear? Clear to you specifically?

It amazes me that you insist on specific instances or wording and are unable or unwilling to use induction. Do you think inductive reasoning is proper? If so, could it be applied in these cases?

If the title of this thread were less specific then I might be more sympathetic to your unwillingness to answer my question. I created this thread to specifically focus your attention on the question. If Moses wrote anything that clearly explains (as opposed to implies) why Jesus had to die or that animal sacrifices symbolize His death then you should be able to quote it without dragging the NT into the fray.

So, no, I do not agree with the premise of your question. I see it as an avoidance tactic.

I've told you several times now that I believe the Bible implies why Jesus had to die and that animal sacrifices symbolize His death. Through inductive reasoning we can extrapolate from the pertinent and peripheral facts and arrive at conclusions which answer my question.

You're not addressing what actually happened. You started this thread, and in the middle of this thread I asked you about Jesus Christ, John and Paul. I didn't expect you to say that they weren't clear either. I asked this question by way of clarification. If you thought they were clear, but Moses wasn't, that would give me a clue as to why you thought Moses was unclear. When you surprisingly answered that you didn't think they were clear, and that none of Scripture was clear, I immediately changed gears. I started a new topic to discuss this, and on this topic I've been pointing out that there's no point in discussing Moses if you can't see this truth from Jesus Christ.

I've been asking you what the point is. If you see some point, please let me know. Otherwise, we'll just deal with the other thread. Simply the fact that you started this thread isn't an adequate response, because things changed since the thread started; namely, you assert that neither Jesus Christ, nor John, nor Paul, nor any inspired person save Ellen White clearly explains Christ's death.

luke 16:29-31,they have moses and the prophets;let them hear them. ... if they hear not moses and the prophets neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead.

luke 24:25'26 o fools and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken .ought not Christ to have suffered these things and to enter in to his glory?

john 5:45-47do not think that i will accuse you to the Father:there is that accusseth you ,moses in whom ye trust.for had ye believed moses ye would have believed me:for he wrote of me.but if ye believe not his writings how shall ye believe my words?

matthew 2:1,2 ...behold there came wise men from the east to jerusalem,saying,where is he that is born King of the Jews ? for we have seen his star in the east and are come to worship him. when these men came, who had little light,where were the 7th day 1st adventists ? may we have learned the lesson !

Tom, pretend like I'm not here and post passages from the Pentateuch that clearly explain both aspects of the title question. I doubt you will honor this request since it is clear no such passages exist.

Pepperwood, not you, too. Please post from Pentateuch where Moses clearly explained both aspects included in the title question of this thread. Thank you.