1. Did God command Moses to kill sinners? Yes or no, please.
2. Was the Law of Moses part of the NC?

...Please answer questions with a 'yes' or 'no' answer.

Do you suppose we are we in court?


Do you mean the New new covenant or the new old or the original-old-new covenant. Did you catch that Tom may not be at the same new-old, old-new, new-new, or old-old as what appears to me you are indicating?

1.According to your understanding of things, no.

2.Had the people believed the NC, the law of Moses would not have been given to them, as it would not have been necessary. As Paul explained, it was added because of transgression. Actually that was referring specifically to the speaking of the moral law, but the same principle applies to the law of Moses. It was only necessary because of unbelief.

Because of their unbelief, the people undertook to promise of themselves to do that which the Lord had promised them, which is how the OC came into being. In order to make it evident that the people did not have the righteousness which the law required, God gave them the law of Moses. It's purpose was that they would see their sinfulness, and flee to Christ. It also contained teachings of Christ's sacrifice.

The NC is God's promise to forgive the sins of the people, and to write the law in their heart.

1. Please describe my understanding of it, and then describe yours.

2. Do any of the laws in the Law of Moses contradict the Law of God?

PS - I agree with you that minutely spelling things out in the Law of Moses would not have been necessary had the Jews faithfully obeyed the Law of God.

Kland, Tom can speak for himself. I have no knowledge of the different titles you used to describe the covenant. I am only aware of the EC, NC, and OC. I am also aware of covenant terms like Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, and Davidic.

You see God as giving an explicit order stemming from and expressing His will. I see what happened more along the lines of the father/hunter analogy, that God was constrained by circumstances to give counsel that's been misinterpreted as His expressing His will on an issue.



If you're asking if God permitting things contrary to His will, He did, such as divorce. This is the point I've been making. I've not made the point that the law of Moses contradicts the law of God. Given that the law of Moses proceeded from God, that would be a rather odd assertion.



Ok.

I welcome Kland's comments. He seems to be seeing these issues similarly to how I do. If he says something I disagree with, I'll speak up. I think it helps to get another perspective involved. For example, I may have trouble seeing what it is you're addressing, whereas Kland catches it, so he can help out by responding to a question or point you've made that I missed.

Either you are being contrary, or this is an example of "specifics" and not grasping my general idea.

It just appeared to me that you two were talking about two different things. If Tom is using one idea for the New covenant, and you are using another, how productive would that be? Wouldn't it be much better to ensure that you are talking about the same things than seeing several posts before that conclusion is reached?


Did any of the instruction contradict the father's ideal in the Father/hunter story?

True, I believe God was "constrained by circumstances" to command Moses to kill those two guys. Of course God is not willing that any should perish, but under the circumstances it was His for them to be stoned to death. Whereas, I hear you saying God did not "command" Moses to kill them; instead, He "counseled" him to do it, and that people like me have misunderstood His counsel to mean it was His will for them to be stoned to death. The word "counsel" makes it sound like it was optional, that Moses could have decided against killing them. Is this what you mean?


I hear you saying permitting the Jews to practice things contrary to His will are, nevertheless, in harmony with His law. If so, it seems like a rather odd assertion.

Regarding Moses, I like the way I put it, so I'll leave it like that.

Regarding your comment about the Jews being permitted to do things contrary to God's will, here is an example: