To answer your question, yes. As Haskell put it, "this is fallen humanity, with its hereditary inclinations." A. T. Jones did a thorough job explaining this in his 1895 GC Sermons.

Regarding #110496, I inadvertently responded to Elle's post instead of yours, but the answer's still "yes."

So our Mind gets physically changed? I want you to explain it in very detail fashion, what should I be expecting in regards to santification or transformation? Is my mind going to change physically to be able to reflect Christ's Character? If so, how much of my mind? And before Christ can come and get us, do you think everyone will need there whole mind physically transform?

And when we are talking about our mind changed are referring mainly to our frontal lobe?

our thoughts and motives are to change, is my understanding, both from the bible and sop.

in studying the life of Christ, if we submit, the Holy Spirit changes how we view things. our motives and actions start changing. all of this is dependent on how we view the actions of Christ, whether He reacted in anger or coldness to any situations or was it in yearning love...

Oh, then Christ took a nature that wasn’t corrupted but had corrupt principles? And in your conception a nature with corrupt principles is not corrupted? Can someone really accept such an absurd argument?


So your view is that the sin of Adam is imputed to us?


So? You seem to believe that everything Butler said was wrong, and that everything Jones and Waggoner said was right. Ellen White never took this position, and neither do I.


This is not Butler’s argument and Waggoner didn’t address it (at least not in the passage you quoted). Could you address it, please?


No, it’s not at all clear from the context.


Yes, and there is still an equating between the concept of sinful nature and the concept of sin.
It’s interesting that while Ellen White says that Seth ”was born in sin” (SR 57), she says that Christ “was born without a taint of sin” (7A BC 462).


OK, then I would say that “sexual attraction” is part of the mindset of the world. Something we should leave behind.
By the way, coffee smell is unpleasant. Well, at least to me.

No, I disagreed with your concept of corporate justification. It took me some time to find this, but we discussed the subject less than a year ago. I especially discuss Prescott’s sermon in my posts #99045, 99082 and 99118.

http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=99186&page=16

I had said that in my post #109859 (March 14), in this same thread.
Do you ever pay attention to what I write?

Hi, Elle! I was referring to this quote of Ellen White:

"The enmity referred to in the prophecy in Eden was not to be confined merely to Satan and the Prince of life. It was to be universal. Satan and his angels were to feel the enmity of all mankind. 'I will put enmity,' said God, 'between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel' (Gen. 3:15). The enmity put between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman was supernatural. With Christ the enmity was in one sense natural; in another sense it was supernatural, as humanity and divinity were combined. And never was the enmity developed to such a marked degree as when Christ became an inhabitant of this earth. Never before had there been a being upon the earth who hated sin with so perfect a hatred as did Christ. He had seen its deceiving, infatuating power upon the holy angels, and all His powers were enlisted against it." {1SM 254.1, 2}

Thanks Rosangela. That's a very excellent quote and might explain a dimension to me. So please help me with this reasoning.

1. If the enmity toward sin was a supernatural implant in human Jesus, therefore, he was not like us.
2. However, this could explain that Jesus inherited all sinful tendencies.
3. Could we equate this enmity towards sin, to not having a rebellious nature?
4. So this could also explain that if Jesus inherited all sinful tendencies from 4000 years of inheritence, then this enmity toward sin would make it possible for Baby Jesus to not sin.

No. The mind is a concept, not a physical entity, but housed in the brain, which is.



As I mentioned previously, one's way of thinking changes; one's paradigm, frame of reference, perception, etc.