Smarty pants. Nice try offering free memberships in this economy!

Salesmanship aside, for clarity's sake let's reiterate what justification practically implies for both parties:

Assurance for inauthentic Evangelicalism means Christ covers the sins that you can’t overcome based on an overarching umbrella of justification.

Assurance for authentic Adventism means Christ covers the sins that you commit (provided you confess and repent), but empowers you to overcome them so you stop committing those sins.

But you knew this, of course.


William

This is what Adams wrote for the QODC:

"The rationale for Andreasen’s contention that Jesus’ victory is repeatable by the final generation had everything to do with his perception of the kind of humanity Jesus took. We see this in his comment on Hebrews 10:19, 20, in which he maintained that Christ’s body needed to be “cleansed and purified from every defilement” before He could pass “through the curtain” into the heavenly sanctuary. And just as Jesus needed to be purified and cleansed, just so His followers, having the same body, need to undergo a similar purification and cleansing."

Isn't this what Ellen White taught in The Great Controversy? For more, especially see chapters "What is the Sanctuary?" "In the Holy of Holies," and "Facing Life's Record."

Call me thick, chap, but where does Andreasen disagree with the only inspired source on this forum?

But just don't call me understated, I resemble that!

William

In No. 10 and 11 (GCB 1893) Jones preached that the Latter Rain was connected to a deeper understanding of Christ's “human flesh,” or the “righteousness of Christ—the life that He lived—for you and me.”

He was referring to Revelation three's “raiment,” “that garment that is woven in the loom of heaven” (quoting White). And “that garment,” Jones offered, “was woven in Jesus; in the same flesh and blood that we have.”

Fresh and fascinating were these revelations for willing listeners, to be sure.

Jones also connected this very teaching with “the latter rain in connection with the fall of Babylon,” “the bestowal of that power, and that glory, with which the angel of Rev. 18 comes down and lightens the earth.”

He concluded that the message of Christ's human flesh as humanity's holy raiment was, in fact, “that message of the righteousness of Christ [which] is the Loud Cry.”

Jones' clarifying teachings were obviously approved by Ellen White during and immediately after he presented these unprecedented topics in 1893; that much is certain, despite his later deviations.

It is at any wonder, I humbly submit, that every supernatural power antagonistic toward Adventism, in this very hour, would attempt to prevent the reintroduction of “that message of glory that lightens the earth”?

Sobering thought. Read the GCB for yourselves.

More could be added on this delicate subject in order to substantiate Jones' premise, but for now hopefully the point is unmistakable: the humanity of Christ was and is irrevocably linked with Justification By Faith or the Third Angel's Message.

William

The quick answer lies in your own statement: "Salvation" is a broader term than "justification." A review of the context of what I was saying about justification, sanctification, and salvation should show why I believe your statement. Of course, there are other contexts where "justification is salvation" works, but not with what I was talking about.


If "salvation" is broader than "justification" then you cannot replace "justification" with "salvation" unless you clarify it by shrinking the meaning of "salvation" to make it fit. Otherwise, it's too big to fit in the space provided. If you don't see that yet, imagine replacing 8 oz of tap water with a gallon of bottled water; even if there are very real similarities, a gallon simply doesn't fit in a glass.


Check this quote:
1) Is this sanctification required for salvation?
2) Did the publican have this as he walked home?

Even "sanctification" has varying shades of meaning. Here's more:
You asked about the Sabbath. Here's a quote to consider:

Do you include His spiritual nature in that assertion re: the "humanity of Christ"?

Is there such a thing as an "unavoidable deficiency" that requires Christ's imputed righteousness in order to be acceptable in the sight of God?

There is in Calvinist theology.

William

By "spritual nature" do you mean His own sinless nature or the sinful nature He took upon Himself?

William

Arnold, I also believe that in most cases people experience rebirth before they complete the process of converting to obeying everything Jesus commanded. However, the Bible doesn't describe such cases. Yes, Rom 2:13-15 describes cases involving people who are considered savable because they live in harmony with their conscience and convictions, but in such cases they did not experience rebirth or conversion in the normal sense of the word.

Again, most people experience rebirth before they complete converting to obeying everything Jesus commanded. In such cases, they are lacking in areas that require BIble study and prayer. For example, they may have crucified their old man habits of sin and experienced rebirth before learning about Sabbath-keeping or health reform. In such cases, they are reining in their moral imperfections and keeping them under the control of a sanctified will and mind.

However, they are ignorantly breaking the law of God as it pertains to the Sabbath and health. Nevertheless, they are morally perfect in that they are not violating the law of God as they know it. So, the question is, what do you think such believers can do ignorantly that violates the will and law of God?

Salut William, I'm glad to see you are digging into this vital understanding. I now believe in a post-laps through and through as I stated in the "Immortality and Jesus Death on the cross" thread. That thread is to study about the humanity of Christ.

Can you tell me what is QODC. Some type of "Questions on Doctrines Commentaries"? Is this document on-line? What about GCB?

This garment that Jesus woved in our same flesh and blood, we are to put Jesus garment on rather than weave our own through Jesus' blood? Would the wearing of Jesus holy garment be an equivalent to "washing our garments in the blood of the lamb."?

Yes, I believe that rain is coming down now and will seal the 144,000. Have you ever considered the 7 thunders in Rev 10? The 144,000, of course will give the 3AM but I believe also will be revealed the 7 thunders and be sealed as a result which (my hunch) is 7 important truths that needs to be proclaimed about Jesus and will inspire faith and victory in Him. Revelation talks about a numberless multitude that will respond to the message and will be seal also. I do believe that the humanity of Christ is one of the 7 thunders.