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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: William]
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04/17/09 09:04 PM
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"In sin my mother conceived me..." Hi Green, Pardon the friendly intrusion, but I read this text as referring to the effects of Adam's sin upon humanity, and not what composes sin or personal guilt. William Then pray tell why do we make such a fuss over the "immaculate conception"? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: Rosangela]
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04/17/09 09:05 PM
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Why does a baby need a Savior? For the same reason a sin-suffering planet does! Again, no disrespect to the lovely city of Hippo.  (Sorry, Rosangela, if I seem or sound irritating with my brand of spotty wit. Were we not online you might actually get me and I you, eh?) William
:: Harmony not hate leads your opponent's mind to wisdom; beating him there always with tender heart. —Anonymous
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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04/17/09 09:08 PM
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Then pray tell why do we make such a fuss over the "immaculate conception"? Great question, chap. But one I'd love to respond to sometime after my overbooked weekend. Fair? Happy Sabbath to all! William
:: Harmony not hate leads your opponent's mind to wisdom; beating him there always with tender heart. —Anonymous
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: William]
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04/17/09 09:11 PM
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Why does a baby need a Savior? For the same reason a sin-suffering planet does! William, pardon my insistence, but what is this reason?
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: William]
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04/17/09 09:31 PM
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Didn't the race need to be restored because of sin? But babies have no sin. What do you mean? This is from Waggoner: Sin is a personal matter. A man is guilty only of his own sins, and not of those which another has committed. Now I can not sin where I am not, but only where I am. Sin is in the heart of man; "for from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness; all these evil things come from within." Mark 7:21-23. "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." Jer.17:9. Sin is in every fiber of our being by nature. We are born in sin, and our life is sin, so that sin can not be taken from us without taking our life. What I need is freedom from my own personal sin,--that sin which not only has been committed by me personally, but which dwells in the heart,--the sin which constitutes the whole of my life. (The Glad Tidings) I've quoted this several times now, just recently.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: William]
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04/17/09 09:33 PM
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I agree, Green. But Tom doesn't. He believes we just sin when we choose to sin. No I don't. Why do you think this?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
[Re: Tom]
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04/17/09 09:37 PM
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Here's another quote related to grace: In the matchless gift of His Son, God has encircled the whole world with an atmosphere of grace as real as the air which circulates around the globe. All who choose to breathe this life-giving atmosphere will live and grow up to the stature of men and women in Christ Jesus.(SC 68) Babies can't choose for themselves to breath this life-giving atmosphere, but the power of grace can be felt in their lives if their parents do.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
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04/17/09 09:41 PM
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R: Didn't the race need to be restored because of sin? But babies have no sin. T: What do you mean? This is from Waggoner: Sin is a personal matter. A man is guilty only of his own sins, and not of those which another has committed. Now I can not sin where I am not, but only where I am. Sin is in the heart of man; "for from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness; all these evil things come from within." Mark 7:21-23. "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." Jer.17:9. Sin is in every fiber of our being by nature. We are born in sin, and our life is sin, so that sin can not be taken from us without taking our life. What I need is freedom from my own personal sin,--that sin which not only has been committed by me personally, but which dwells in the heart,--the sin which constitutes the whole of my life. (The Glad Tidings) I've quoted this several times now, just recently. Well, I understand this passage of Waggoner to refer to man's sinful nature. So babies need a Savior because of their sinful nature?
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
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04/17/09 09:49 PM
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I agree, Green. But Tom doesn't. He believes we just sin when we choose to sin. No I don't. Why do you think this? This is the classical postlapsarian position. Do you disagree with it?
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin?
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04/17/09 10:15 PM
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This isn't the classical postlapsarian position. I've just quoted from Waggoner. Does what you're asserting make sense given what Waggoner said?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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