a reminder re: elles intent for this thread:

For your information, THIS IS the thread that the moderators split off from that discussion...which is why there are only a few pages here instead of the 15 or so pages on the original topic thread.

If you want the original thread CLICK HERE.

In other words, this topic has been split here for the continuation of the "side topic" discussed in the foregoing posts.

(Unfortunately, this topic did not get renamed, so there are two topics with the same name. Perhaps this should be remedied.)

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I think to distinguish it from the other thread, this one could be named "Jesus humanity on earth" since it doesn't talk about Immortality nor Christ divine nature on earth.

While the heading for this thread is being worked out...


That looks like a quote as published in QOD...: the subheading is not Ellen White and is misleading. It's equally well known that her emphasis isn't "as God created man", in Adam's innocence, but "connected with the Father and the Son...", etc., by God's Spirit. It's a matter for the trinity thread, but we do not relate to the Holy Spirit since it's by the Spirit we relate to the Father via Christ our Mediator.

Her statement is clear, isn't it, that Christ took the seed of Abraham, sinful nature as Adam gave it to Cain, etc, with connectivity to God built-in and installed from conception and birth. That's a difference in timing compared to us, but the self-same experience we come to when Jesus gives us power to become children of God, per Jn 1:12. That was the message also of Kenneth Wood's time as Editor of the Review & Herald..., as also in the book by his Associate Editor Thomas Davis, alongside Herbert Douglass.

Incidentally, Jn 1:12 between the NIV and KJV again shows such a difference as to change Bible teaching on righteousness by faith: the familiar "gave power to become sons of God" is changed to "gave the right to become children of God". Now, I used "children" above since that's not objectionable, but "right" without "power" is a false gospel. Having a legal standing of acquittal before God in Jesus our Substitute isn't the whole gospel and is thus, as the whole of justification by faith, false. Receiving power to be made a new creation, with the renewal of the mind of Christ (Rom 12:,2; Phil 2:5), is the experience of justification, spoken of by the KJV but omitted by the NIV.

That "experience of justification" is the definition of righteousness by faith published by the Palmdale Conference between the GC and Avondale's Des Ford, in 1976, to settle the Australasian Division's dispute on its own patch...Ford didn't & doesn't agree with the inner renewal of justification, but that consensus statement from Palmdale was published in a special edition of the Review & Herald, and it says it all! Green, does your Bible versions topic lists have Jn 1:12, too?

This thread has now been renamed to "Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth." There was, unfortunately, no way to simply rename the entire topic that I could find within the forum software, so I was forced to manually edit every single post in this thread and individually rename them. Thankfully, this thread has not stretched beyond three pages so far. This is very likely the reason that when the posts were moved, the renaming was not done.

To keep from making it look like the posts themselves had been edited (as opposed to merely their titles), I refrained from adding an "Edit reason" to each post. Rest assured that only the topic title for each post was edited.

Anyhow, the thread is now ready to go with its new name.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Stirling work, GC! Thank you!

Now, what do you think of your 'own' quote from QOD via the SDABC...?

Just curious, how exactly will the above help settle the controvercy?

Very good question! Especially since it was pretty much this very misleading description which started it!

Since my first attempt got mangled, I'm reposting this:



Very good question! Especially since it was pretty much this very misleading description which started it!

To Everyone:

Do you think having defects, weaknesses, and imperfections is the same thing as sinning? Or, do you think people sin if and when they indulge them?