Most of what you have written above you cannot support by the bible alone. Wether God gave Moses full knowledge of every piece of fact there is to be known in the entire world is entierly irrelevant for this topics question which concerns where Moses explained it in his writings. The example of Abraham and Isaac has been pointed at. Any signs of Moses explaining a messianic prophetic message to the temple cermonies yet remain to be shown in this thread. You can reason about what God ougth to have told Moses all day long but until you can show that Moses in turn explained it to the people and to us through what he wrote, it remains a negative answer relating to the question asked in this topic.

I don't care. I just care that it's the truth.



This is a really crude rephrasing of the question. I, of course, did not assert that God "gave Moses full knowledge of every piece of fact," which is, of course, ridiculous and absurd. Let's please consider what I'm actually asking, which is quite reasonable.

Given that God explained the ceremonial services to Moses, wouldn't He have explained their meaning to Moses? I've asked this many times now, and you've yet to answer it.

Here are a couple of possibilities:

1.God did not explain the ceremonial services to Moses.
2.God did explain them to Moses, but He didn't discuss Christ's death.

These are the only two possibilities which come to mind. Do you have some other suggestion? Or do you think 1 or 2 is the case? If you think it's 2, why do you think God would do this?

Regarding the point that Moses did not explain the meaning to the people, the meaning is evident in the Scriptures. It requires an understanding of Semitic culture, but the meaning is there. Earlier in the thread I gave some basic background in regards to snakes to illustrate this. The ceremonial system is incredibly rich in symbolism. It was the perfect teaching device. No only was its meaning clear to the Israelites, it was clear to the surrounding cultures of the time. God had intended that Israel would be a light to the world, presenting the Gospel.

And you know that it is true despite failiure to support it from the basic documents exactly how?It is a crude exageration of the question based on the experience that humble answers apparently are not accepted. Both of your options are viable. It is possible that God did not explain the deeper meanings of the services. It is also possible that He did explain some but did not discuss their relation to Christ. Then there is the posibility that God did explain and did give the messianic prophecy parts but that Moses like Daniel was forbiden to dwell upon those points.

Well then, it shouldn't be too difficult to explain a readily evident point should it?

Tom and Thomas, I've enjoyed your comments and discussion. The point continues to remain, namely, it is not clear in the Pentateuch why Jesus had to die or that the animal sacrifices symbolized His death. Either it was taken for granted or it was not understood. Ellen White makes it clear Moses did indeed understand it and shared it with the Jews. However, he did not clearly articulate it in the Bible.

This doesn't really make sense, does it? Moses understood why Jesus had to die, because God explained it to him, right? Do you think God said to him, "Don't write this down! You can write down the ceremonies to do, but make sure the meaning is not explained!"

Possibly, but I doubt it. But one thing is clear - Moses did not clearly explain either one.

MM, all you can say is that it's not clear to you. Several on this thread have said it's clear to them. You're not going to say they're liars, are you?

So why don't we agree that you don't see that Moses clearly explained why Christ died and leave it at that?

If it's clear to them it's not because they only read the Pentateuch and nothing else. Hindsight is 20/20.