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Lesson #6 - Sin #112665
05/06/09 04:56 PM
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Here is the link to the material for this study and discussion:

http://ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/09b/less06nkjv.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Daryl] #112666
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The following in the Sabbath Afternoon section tells us how affected this world is with the pandemic called sin:
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The threat of terrorism has made us all feel extremely vulnerable. Science, which was supposed to be the harbinger of a better world, now threatens to wreak havoc on that world. The common sources of energy are being depleted. The icecaps are melting. Crime is a sad fact of life everywhere. Human beings show little, if any, signs of moral improvement over past generations. The gap between rich and poor constantly is widening. Our daily installment of news almost invariably tells us about atrocities and moral decay.

There are more lives being affected by this pandemic than any other pandemic in the world.


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Daryl] #112667
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The doctrine of sin is definitely one doctrine that doesn't take faith to believe in.


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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Daryl] #112669
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What is the essence of sin?

The answer from the Bible is obvious:
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1 John 3:4 MKJV Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.


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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Daryl] #112675
05/06/09 05:44 PM
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Selfishness is the essence of sin. The root of sin is unbelief.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Daryl] #112676
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I guess my previous post was more on the definition of sin than on the essence of sin, however, I do see lawlessness as both the definition and essence of sin.

The EGW quote below is interesting in explaining further the essence of sin:
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"There was nothing poisonous in the fruit itself, and the sin was not merely in yielding to appetite. It was distrust of God's goodness, disbelief of His word, and rejection of His authority, that made our first parents transgressors, and that brought into the world a knowledge of evil. It was this that opened the door to every species of falsehood and error."—Ellen G. White, Education, p. 25.

The essence of sin in the above quote was therefore:

1 - distrust of God's goodness,
2 - disbelief of His word,
3 - rejection of His authority.


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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Daryl] #112678
05/06/09 06:08 PM
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From Tuesday's section:
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Theologians often distinguish between the sinful acts that we commit and the sinful nature that we possess. We all have been corrupted by Adam's fall; we all are deemed sinners even before we sin.

Are we all deemed to be sinners before we even sin?

How can this be so?

I would be interested in some answers on this.


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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Daryl] #112681
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Are we all deemed to be sinners before we even sin?
How can this be so?

Before we sin in acts. But if you are born not loving God supremely, aren't you a transgressor of God's law from birth - before you commit any sinful acts?

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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Rosangela] #112684
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Theologians often distinguish between the sinful acts that we commit and the sinful nature that we possess. We all have been corrupted by Adam's fall; we all are deemed sinners even before we sin.


This is the Original Sin concept.

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Are we all deemed to be sinners before we even sin?


Traditionally SDA's said no. Since the 1950's some say yes, and some say no.

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How can this be so?


The Original Sin concept has the idea that we are condemned simply by being; that is, because of having sinful natures. So we don't actually have to commit a sin to be guilty of sinning.

The traditional Adventist idea was (and is) that to be guilty of sinning one actually has to commit sins.

This has significance in relation to Christ's ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary. The traditional idea was that at some point Christ would stop His work in the MHP, and at that point the 144,000 would stand before God without a Mediator. Without a Mediator, one could not be sinning. With the Original Sin concept, even without sinning one would still need a Mediator, so a different approach has been taking to understand what perfection of character means. Helmet Ott wrote a book dealing with this subject called "Perfect in Christ." See http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/ott/index.htm.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #6 - Sin [Re: Daryl] #112688
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
From Tuesday's section:
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Theologians often distinguish between the sinful acts that we commit and the sinful nature that we possess. We all have been corrupted by Adam's fall; we all are deemed sinners even before we sin.

Are we all deemed to be sinners before we even sin?

How can this be so?

I would be interested in some answers on this.
How it is so, you would have to ask the aforementioned theologians. That it is so, you can ask the scriptures: 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

And since death is the wages of sin and Adams sin brought death to all men, even those who had not sinned like Adam had, it seems clear that original sin is a doctrine supported in scripture. As for the "how", others may speak on that.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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