John B., I agree with John. The IDEAS you are advocating here, and elsewhere on MSDAOL, are dangerous, if not heretical and blasphemous. Please note that I am being careful to say the IDEAS you are sharing are wrong. I am not saying you are a heretic.

Moderators, it is my wish and desire that MSDAOL staff do something about it. Thank you.

Mike.

Ok, thanks for reply.

So, you are saying that those who sinned but repent would be forgiven for God had the legal right to pardon them. Meanwhile in the past, their sins had made Christ come and die to redeem them.

Now, I am thinking, is it real that God forgives those who break the law, or is it God pardons because there is no law, and when there is no law there is no transgressions and sin is not imputed. Even so, sin does exist, but the criteria is no longer as “ sin is a transgression of the law” but “whatever is not of faith is sin” and “those who know to do good but don’t do it, to him it is a sin.”

Sin is no longer a transgression of the law, because there is no more law that judge and condemns, it serve only as a traffic light, a means to interpret God’s will.

In the past, when the law still exist, a transgression against the law must be redeemed by Christ’ life in order a man is pardoned. Do you think, that now God has the legal right to pardon sins based on repentance from the sinner? Does this not make him stands against his own law that demands the life of the sinner? Is his action in pardoning sins not overruling the integrity of his law that demands justice and righteousness?

I am a bit confuse about this, I prefer that there is no more law where everybody can live whatever life he wants to lead, but if he wants to go to heaven and live eternally there, he must have the principle of heaven in his heart, which make him FIT for heaven, that is enough!

A man is justified by his faith, meanwhile the judgment is based on his deeds. This is, I believe the truth of the bible, but the deeds are not based on the deeds of the law for the Gospel said: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” – Romans 3:19.

Therefore, the deeds of the law is not the point, IOW, you may forget about the law, it has no meaning in the judgment and in justification.

The point is, do you have the “love of God” in your heart, ruling your life? If yes, you are FIT for heaven! How about your sins in the past? God forgives it all without standing against his law, for you are not under the law since there is no law that stands and exists where you must obey and keep.

What do you think about this idea?

In His love

James S

Tom.

I am a member of the SDA, but I have stopped to go to church on Sabbath since 3 years ago, because I heard what was preached from the pulpit is always about the Ten Commandments and Sabbath and the obligation to keep and obey it, that a believer is justified by his faith WITH the deeds of the law, which I think is against the Gospel of Christ.

I will first seek the truth, and when I believe that SDA’s teaching really represent the truth of the Bible, then I will back to the church and preach the truth.

In His love

James S

Thank you for your reply James. What is your feeling regarding the Spirit of Prophesy?

Tom wrote,

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Jesus said He would also not judge, but His words would do the judging.

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Jesus didn't say He would never judge. Only that He didn't judge while He was here on earth as a mortal human, during His incarnation. Certainly Jesus will judge all of humankind later on:

Acts 17:31
"Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead."

Romans 2:16
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

2 Timothy 4:1
"I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom;"

Hebrews 13:4
"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

Revelation 19:11
"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war."

Revelation 20:12
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Psalm 50:6
"And the heavens shall declare His righteousness: for God is judge Himself."

Psalm 82:8
"Arise, O God, judge the earth: for Thou shalt inherit all nations."

Ecclesiastes 3:17
"I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work."

Ecclesiastes 12
13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."

Any idea that suggests Christ will not judge the world is utterly contrary to Scripture.

John B.:

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You are very right. It is awful dangerous. It is deadly. That is why God wants to save us from it.

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I wasn't making the point that sin is deadly. We can all agree on that.

I was making the point that your saying, "sin and righteousness is interchangable," is dangerous, i.e. it's not true. Sin and righteousness are polar opposites, therefore they can't be interchangeable; any more than God and Satan are interchangeable.

Tom.

I have read most of EGW writings since 1981 and I believe at that time that her writings is really inspired, but later on I have found some ideas that I think is not in harmony with the Gospel of Christ, but I rather think that maybe I misunderstood the message. Her writings some times must be read as if we read Pauline epistles.

In His love

James S

Mike and others.

What make you think that the law of the Ten Commandments is important, that a believer is under its jurisdiction and is a standard of judgment and righteousness? Even though, the Gospel of Christ said that a believer is justified by his faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law, WHY SDA church still believe and insist that the Ten Commandments must be kept and obeyed? What are the base of this believe? Does a born again believer that walks after the Spirit needs the Ten Commandment as a way of life to live righteously?

In His love

James S

Thank you for answering my questions, James. I asked them to get an idea of where you are coming from, so I can better answer your questions.

Did you read the original post to this topic? I would interested in your thoughts regarding that post.

Thanks.