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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: dedication] #114596
06/11/09 01:44 PM
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As the thread had become too long, this thread is now the 2nd part of the now closed first thread located at:

http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=114594#Post114594

Discussion can now continue in this thread.


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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: Daryl] #114611
06/11/09 06:35 PM
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Again, it was Jesus' sinful flesh nature that tempted Him from within to indulge sin. He NEVER consented. He ALWAYS kept it under the control of a sanctified will and mind. Amen!

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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: Mountain Man] #115386
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I think I had already read this passage in the past, but didn't remember it:

"But Christ did not forget John. In the lonely prison he manifested himself to him, showing him that erelong he himself was to suffer a most shameful, ignominious death. Not only that, but he was to bear the penalty of the transgression of the law of God, not to give men liberty to continue in sin, but to take away their inclination to sin, that they might not desire to transgress. Those who receive Christ are obedient to his commands; for his mind is given to them. He imbues them with his spirit of obedience, and they return to their loyalty." {YI, April 6, 1899 par. 3}

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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: Rosangela] #115395
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This is clearly dealing with the mind. Indeed, it says:

Quote:
Those who receive Christ are obedient to his commands; for his mind is given to them.


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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: Rosangela] #115398
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
but to take away their inclination to sin, that they might not desire to transgress.

That's a good one to remember. wink

So Christ can take away our inclination to sin, and we can lose the desire to transgress. No inclination to sin, no desire to transgress. Sounds similar to what the SOP said about Christ's nature recoiling from evil.

Yet, some people say that Jesus had an inclination to sin, and a desire to transgress.

Last edited by asygo; 07/03/09 11:19 PM.

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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: Tom] #115399
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Originally Posted By: Tom
This is clearly dealing with the mind. Indeed, it says:

Quote:
Those who receive Christ are obedient to his commands; for his mind is given to them.

And it should, since both obedience and disobedience happen in the mind, not the armpit or legs or hair or any other part of our physical nature.


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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: Rosangela] #115449
07/04/09 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Christ ... was to bear the penalty of the transgression of the law of God, not to give men liberty to continue in sin, but to take away their inclination to sin, that they might not desire to transgress. Those who receive Christ are obedient to his commands; for his mind is given to them. He imbues them with his spirit of obedience, and they return to their loyalty." {YI, April 6, 1899 par. 3}


Just love those words, what a blessing, the hope of having all desire and inclination toward sin taken away. That would truly be freedom indeed.

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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: asygo] #115450
07/04/09 04:15 PM
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Christ did not have a carnal nature.
As the second Adam, temptation to sin would have been outside Him, not inside Him. It would have come to Him the same way it came to Eve, perhaps -- as an effort to persuade Him from outside, but not as a "pull" from His own desires inside. He desired nothing but the will of God the Father, complete compassion upon the afflicted, sick, possessed and suffering, as well as on all sinners. He went about doing good and healing ALL who were oppressed by the devil in ANY form whether through sin controlling them or affliction or sickness. He is pure love, and nothing but love, and no abusiveness in His love, not one harsh or ugly thing at all. Ellen White says even His stern rebukes to the Pharisees, He spoke with tears in His voice as one who would want to see them wake up to the truth and to their desperate need of God's holiness, which is pure love.

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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: Anonymous] #115503
07/05/09 11:59 AM
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welcome Magdalene to the Maritime forums. smile

I also want to say that you posts here are excellent posts in relation to the fact that, "As the second Adam, temptation to sin would have been outside Him, not inside Him. It would have come to Him the same way it came to Eve,...." thumbsup


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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? (2) [Re: Daryl] #115515
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To everyone here:

It seems to me several here are suggesting "to take away their inclination to sin, that they might not desire to transgress" must be taken to mean that our fallen flesh nature will cease to tempt us from within to be unlike Jesus. Is this what is being advocated?

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