This is from AH 16:



Mark, I agree with what you wrote in part, and have questions about it in part. First the part I agree with. I agree with the idea that God will heal us in heaven of those things for which we need healing. This is a precious thought. Surely there are all things we need healing for. Maybe the 144,000 will go through this healing during the time of Jacob's trouble, but the rest of us will need healing.

The part I have questions about is qualifying the healing as having to do with areas in which we haven't overcome. That appears to perhaps be disagreeing with the SOP statement. Do you think it does? I'm certainly open to any explanation you have regarding this, because I think your thought is one in harmony with God's character (That is, God would certainly act the way you have suggested, if it were possible; I'm sure of that. But is it possible?)

It appears to me that inspiration tells us this is the case, so there must be a sense in which this is true. In order to determine in what sense this is true, I've asked the following question.

If Christ's character is standing in the place of ours at some time before death, and at death it isn't, what changes between the time before death and the time at death that makes it unnecessary for Christ's character to stand in place of ours?

Glad we agree.


The quote we've been talking about only says that Christ's character stands in place of ours. Do you have a quote that says that we no longer need Christ's covering at death? Let's dissect it.

Or, perhaps, it happens in that twinkling of an eye. Or maybe everything must be overcome this side of eternity.

By "covering" do you mean the same thing as Christ's character standing in the place of ours? Given our characters do not change at death, why would we need Christ's character to stand in the place of ours at death? Given we do, that would seem to imply we would continue to need His character standing in the place of ours after death, since the character does not change. Is this what you're thinking? If not, what are you thinking?

Yes. Is there a quote that says Christ's character won't stand in the place of our if we're dead?

Arnold, please answer my questions. The one question you did answer was just a question of clarification. I wanted to make sure I understood you correctly, which you verified. Please go on to the other questions. I'm trying to find out what you're thinking. You shouldn't need to have quotes presented to you to know what you think.

That's the point of my investigation. Is that a given? Where are we given that? I want to dig deeper than my previous understanding.


If our characters do not measure up to the standard of Christ's righteousness, we would need a substitute.

Consider this:
The heart that loves Jesus can still have sinfulness. The transformed soul still has moral deformity.


It is at the last trump where our corruption is turned into incorruption. So we may need the Mercy Seat/hilasterion until then to cover our corruption.

Just picking at this. One statement says "at our death" the other says "when we are dead."

At the moment we die we better have Jesus covering us, but once we are dead it does not matter because one way or the other we are sealed to eternal death or life.

liane, this is begging the question, why had we better have Jesus covering us at the moment we die? You say after death it doesn't matter, because we are sealed. This seems to imply the deciding point to your way of thinking is whether or not we are sealed.

So let's consider the 144,000, after being sealed. I take it, to your way of thinking, they no longer need the covering of Jesus Christ because they are sealed. Have I understood you correctly?