"The principle of rebellion is incurable. Satan revealed his true sentiments through the actions of the priests [who crucified Christ], who had been blessed with evidence upon evidence, but who would be hardened, not convinced, by more evidence." {12MR 412.2}

Coming back to the topic of this thread, while y'all debate what the law is and how it's applied: "handwriting of ordinances" has been more accurately translated as "debt note", as in paying one's dues. A debt note was nailed to the cross to seure salvation. However one interprets what the debt the looked like, a debt note is a legally enforcable forfeiture of value: something is owed in the eyes of the law. That's why a debt note was nailed to the cross - a very legal event, demanded of divine justice and delivered for us by grace in Christ our Saviour.

Therefore, the cross of Christ met a legal requirement for our salvation, bearing our guilt and sinfulness to the death due it.

i take it you are a lawyer and that is how your mind works?

in the legal system is there any provision for another taking the penalty for what someone does? if my son holds up the liquor store down the street can i offer to do his time?

??? God prohibited Lucifer to eat from a certain tree?

Well, not a lawyer, but thanks - got the legal mind from somewhere. Substituting payment of fines is quite possible - guilt being inescapable, but prison time isn't substitutable.

The death penalty for sin has to be meted out on us, like a prison term: Christ, in taking our sinful humanity as his own, represented the entire human race in his person, having taken our sinful human nature as his own. It's not the innocent instead of the guilty, Christ for us: it's the guilty incorporated into the personal body of the righteous One!

Sorry, was that answering your implied question, or weren't you thinking of that at all?

So if that guy in the hospital asked me to unplug his respirator and I did, allowing him to lack oxygen until his bodily functions ceased, it cannot be said truthfully that I killed him? Would you agree that I would not be responsible for it, since I had only given him what he had chosen?

i think the difference would be, if he unplugged it vs someone else unplugging it.

its not a bad example but it lacks. yes, i can see that we are on life support from God, so for the example to work, i think, it would have to be the respirator itself refusing to work.

There was a prohibition that he disobeyed, just like man.

There was a prohibition that he disobeyed, just like man.

The context to my question was your statement "Sounds like God did something to make it possible for them to die." It sounds like you may be saying that God enabled Adam and Eve to die by prohibiting them to eat of a certain tree. God made no such prohibition to Lucifer, yet Lucifer was still able to die.