שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד
Shema' yisra'el: yhvh 'eloheinu, yhvh 'echad

Shema root: hear, listen, listen to, pay attention, percieve, understand, heed, obey, grant, examine (legal).

'elohim root: God

'achad root: one (cardinal number), first (ordinal number), each, a certain, only, once, first, a few (pl.)

How about it being really simple.

One Godhead - deity/divine nature.

God the Father has one begotten Son, who shares the one Godhead with him, they each being persons with bodies and physical forms, in whose appearance we are also created - not forgetting attitude and character into that mix.

The Holy Spirit is the infinite Spirit of that one Godhead, in which our human spirit is mirrored, except our spirit is finite and is a part of our mind or something while we're alive: Father and Son each have this divine Spirit, and they fellowship in its communion.

We in turn receive Jesus and the Father's Spirit, by whom we also have Jesus' personal presence in our lives. Thus we have fellowship with the communion of the Spirit, both with God and with fellow believers. There is scope for a variety of miracles with God's Spirit, like Ezekiel famously experienced, visiting Jerusalem from Babylon with what we would call levitation - well it was in vision.

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eternal, self-existent our Gods eternal, self-existent united.as opposed to the gods of all other nations that were constantly warring with each other and fighting for the supremacy, as well as pointing out that those gods had never been eternal and self-existent but came into being somehow or other.

i have some problems with this. so, are you saying that the Father and Son share the same spirit, somehow?

and can "Jesus personal presence" literally be in our lives if He is still "encumbered with a human body"?

How about it being really simple.

One Godhead - deity/divine nature.

God the Father has one begotten Son, who shares the one Godhead with him, they each being persons with bodies and physical forms, in whose appearance we are also created - not forgetting attitude and character into that mix.

The Holy Spirit is the infinite Spirit of that one Godhead, in which our human spirit is mirrored, except our spirit is finite and is a part of our mind or something while we're alive: Father and Son each have this divine Spirit, and they fellowship in its communion.

We in turn receive Jesus and the Father's Spirit, by whom we also have Jesus' personal presence in our lives. Thus we have fellowship with the communion of the Spirit, both with God and with fellow believers. There is scope for a variety of miracles with God's Spirit, like Ezekiel famously experienced, visiting Jerusalem from Babylon with what we would call levitation - well it was in vision.

Before I leave it out...! The Holy Spirit is a person, too, but not the same kind of person as the Father and the Son: the Spirit has no personal, regular form, throne, etc, but is the Spirit of the Father and Son, personally, because it's of the Godhead, naturally. Got no issue with "person" but with the meaning applied to "person" by our church these days. The Handbook of SDA Theology asserts that the Holy Spirit has a body: that's not what's in the Bible!...what little is in the Bible!

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This seems so drastically different, I'm not understanding the idea that our spirit is modeled after the Holy Spirit. Could you explain how you see this has been modeled please?

Since we're created in the image of God...

...and we have a human spirit, and the Holy Spirit also witnesses with our spirits that we are children of God: the Holy Spirit is God and Christ's joint omnipresence (that's EGW, if you didn't know, yet), infinitely present with each of us simultaneously, while powerfully sustaining - but not being their presence there - all of creation by the power of that initial, spoken word. Our spirits are finite, and alive while we are, and reside only in our bodies, like in our minds, and are our inspiration and imagination or something - nothing critical salvivic: that's all.

What is that fabulous, Godhead statement of Ellen White...? Something like the Counsellor Jesus promised to send is the Spirit in the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest grace and mercy to mankind. She also says he is the Father and Son's joint omnipresence. Essentially, the Holy Spirit is the inifinite Spirit of the Godhead, of which Jesus and God each are personally, physically the fulness of - Jesus manifest to mortal eyes, the Father not revealed.

Yes, the Spirit hasn't a physical, regular form of God like God and Christ each has, but is the Spirit in the fulness of the Godhead, present where they personally are not, at any one time. The Spirit can also take on form, like a dove at Jesus' baptism, the flames that didn't ignite the burning bush for Moses, or the pillar of cloud or fire for the Exodus, etc. When God's Son appeared on earth in Abraham's time, he appeared in human form, and was first acknowledged as an angel - and was accompanied by two angels, but that changed by the time Abraham started negotiating for Lot in Sodom...

Ok?

So you see our spirit as being something different than our mind? A totally separate entity?

For some reason the editing function isn't working, so adding this here.

You ask about Jesus' personal presence while he's still encumbered with a human body: but that encumbrance was before his crucifixion and resurrection..., and his personal presence by his Spirit - how do you understand God's presence with us by his Spirit?