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Re: The 100-year Theory at the End of the Millennium for the "Accursed" [Re: Tom] #123385
02/18/10 01:46 PM
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Interesting. And not one of the wicked will die of "natural" causes during that time will they? Satan convinces his people that he has raised them up, and that it is he that sustains them... but isn't it the literal presence of God Himself that sustains all the people?

I wonder whether the wicked will require food and drink... Because when Moses had been in the presence of God for 40 days, he explained that "I neither did eat bread nor drink water."(Deut 9:9)

It was the literal, direct presence of "Life" that sustained him. Might it be the same with those of the second resurrection?

Re: The 100-year Theory at the End of the Millennium for the "Accursed" [Re: StewartC] #123404
02/18/10 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: StewartC
I wonder about something here... If the "little season" of Rev 20:3 is indeed 100 years long, then the following thought [from Great Controversy] raises a question.

"With military precision the serried ranks advance over the earth's broken and uneven surface to the City of God. By command of Jesus, the gates of the New Jerusalem are closed, and the armies of Satan surround the city and make ready for the onset." (GC 664)

Have the gates of the city been open up until this point?
It is clear that the ungodly cannot enter the city, and it is clear that there is no more probationary opportunity for them, but if the gates of the city are open for practically 100 years, why have they been open? Would the redeemed have any reason to be going out and in?


Good questions, Stewart. It is my understanding that the city is not resting upon terra firma at this point in time, but is still hovering over the earth until following the earth's cleansing by fire. The saints, however, can fly...and they have not been confined within the city as though it were a jail. Perhaps they were allowed to come out for a view of their former friends and relatives, or perhaps their liberty to come and go is a portion of the revelation which the wicked receive, showing what God is like.

I think the city's gates are shut only as a protection against the advance of the wicked at that point in time. Can we find other quotes about this?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: The 100-year Theory at the End of the Millennium for the "Accursed" [Re: Green Cochoa] #123408
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
It is my understanding that the city is not resting upon terra firma at this point in time, but is still hovering over the earth until following the earth's cleansing by fire. The saints, however, can fly...and they have not been confined within the city as though it were a jail. Perhaps they were allowed to come out for a view of their former friends and relatives, or perhaps their liberty to come and go is a portion of the revelation which the wicked receive, showing what God is like.

I think the city's gates are shut only as a protection against the advance of the wicked at that point in time. Can we find other quotes about this?


The first thought that drew my attention, Green Cochoa, was that the city of God is "not resting upon terra firma at this point". Perhaps it is incidental in a way, but there does seem to be quite a lot of material saying that when Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives, that mount will literally "part asunder", and a "great plain" will be formed between the two sections. The New Jerusalem physically descends and "rests" on the plain.

GC 663. "As the New Jerusalem, in its dazzling splendor, comes down out of heaven, it rests upon the place purified and made ready to receive it, and Christ, with His people and the angels, enters the Holy City. Now Satan prepares for a last mighty struggle for the supremacy."

And it appears that even in the lake of fire, the city is physically riding on the surface of the "boundless lake".

"...the whole earth, with the exception of that portion where the city rests, will be wrapped in a sea of liquid fire, yet the city is preserved as was the ark, by a miracle of Almighty power. It stands unharmed amid the devouring elements" (3SG 87, 7BC 986.5)

Re: The 100-year Theory at the End of the Millennium for the "Accursed" [Re: Green Cochoa] #123409
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This is a relevant thought too, I think.

3SG 84.
"The city of God comes down and settles upon the mighty plain prepared for it. Then Jesus leaves the city surrounded by the redeemed host, and is escorted on his way by the angelic throng. In fearful majesty he calls forth the wicked dead. They are wakened from their long sleep. What a dreadful waking!"

Does the second resurrection take place while Jesus and the redeemed are OUTSIDE the city?

Re: The 100-year Theory at the End of the Millennium for the "Accursed" [Re: StewartC] #123412
02/18/10 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: StewartC
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
It is my understanding that the city is not resting upon terra firma at this point in time, but is still hovering over the earth until following the earth's cleansing by fire. The saints, however, can fly...and they have not been confined within the city as though it were a jail. Perhaps they were allowed to come out for a view of their former friends and relatives, or perhaps their liberty to come and go is a portion of the revelation which the wicked receive, showing what God is like.

I think the city's gates are shut only as a protection against the advance of the wicked at that point in time. Can we find other quotes about this?


The first thought that drew my attention, Green Cochoa, was that the city of God is "not resting upon terra firma at this point". Perhaps it is incidental in a way, but there does seem to be quite a lot of material saying that when Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives, that mount will literally "part asunder", and a "great plain" will be formed between the two sections. The New Jerusalem physically descends and "rests" on the plain.

GC 663. "As the New Jerusalem, in its dazzling splendor, comes down out of heaven, it rests upon the place purified and made ready to receive it, and Christ, with His people and the angels, enters the Holy City. Now Satan prepares for a last mighty struggle for the supremacy."

And it appears that even in the lake of fire, the city is physically riding on the surface of the "boundless lake".

"...the whole earth, with the exception of that portion where the city rests, will be wrapped in a sea of liquid fire, yet the city is preserved as was the ark, by a miracle of Almighty power. It stands unharmed amid the devouring elements" (3SG 87, 7BC 986.5)

Stewart,

This is wonderful! I stand corrected, and happily so. I had never seen it this clearly before--but upon looking up those quotes about the Holy City resting upon the Mount of Olives, I think I have finally established the timeline for this event!

Yes, the City does rest upon the earth before the wicked are destroyed. There is a little ambiguity in some of Mrs. White's statements on the timing of the dead being raised (without cross-comparison, it can be made to appear that she has contradicted herself). But this is only because she speaks of multiple time settings within the same paragraph, and out of order. However, in other statements where she clearly gives the times and events in their chronological order, it seems clear that the moment at which Jesus' feet rest upon the Mount of Olives and it becomes a plain for the City to land on, is the moment at which the 1000-year period has ended.

In other words, this "little space" of 100 years or however long it is from that moment until the point in time when the wicked are destroyed by fire is all POST MILLENNIUM.

Here is the statement which makes this clear:
Originally Posted By: Ellen White
After the saints are changed to immortality, and are caught up together, with Jesus, receive their harps, crowns, &c., and enter the City, Jesus and the saints sit in judgment. The books are opened, the book of life and the book of death; the book of life contains the good deeds of the saints, and the book of death contains the evil deeds of the wicked. These books were compared with the Statute book, the Bible, and according to that they were judged. The saints in unison with Jesus pass their judgment upon the wicked dead. Behold ye! said the angel, the saints sit in judgment, in unison with Jesus, and mete out to each of the wicked, according to the deeds done in the body, and it is set off against their names, what they must receive at the execution of the judgment. This, I saw, was the work of the saints with Jesus, in the Holy City before it descends to the earth, through the 1000 years. Then at the close of the 1000 years, Jesus, and the angels, and all the saints with him, leaves the Holy City, and while he is descending to the earth with them, the wicked dead are raised, and then the very men that “pierced him,” being raised, will see him afar off in all his glory, the angels and saints with him, and will wail because of him. They will see the prints of the nails in his hands, and in his feet, and where they thrust the spear into his side. The prints of the nails and the spear will then be his glory. It is at the close of the 1000 years that Jesus stands upon the Mount of Olives, and the Mount parts asunder, and it becomes a mighty plain, and those who flee at that time are the wicked, that have just been raised. Then the Holy City comes down and settles on the plain. {ExV 33.2}


I've underlined the point relative to the time. This could be construed as an ambiguous, "relative" time except for the fact that she has been so specific about its relationship to the thousand-year period in Heaven.

This does, however, raise some troubling questions...

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: The 100-year Theory at the End of the Millennium for the "Accursed" [Re: StewartC] #123413
02/18/10 11:19 PM
02/18/10 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: StewartC
This is a relevant thought too, I think.

3SG 84.
"The city of God comes down and settles upon the mighty plain prepared for it. Then Jesus leaves the city surrounded by the redeemed host, and is escorted on his way by the angelic throng. In fearful majesty he calls forth the wicked dead. They are wakened from their long sleep. What a dreadful waking!"

Does the second resurrection take place while Jesus and the redeemed are OUTSIDE the city?
Yes it does. Look at the quote I posted above. It takes place before the city is within sight of earth, and while it is still en route. Then the wicked get to see the city descending and they also see Jesus stand on the Mount of Olives.

When the wicked are raised, the city is empty. All saints and angels have followed Jesus out of it, and it is descending after them, apparently by itself.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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