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Re: Sabbath Keeping Bees in Brazil? [Re: Elle] #115434
07/04/09 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
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while we are not to put our animals to work as we would any other day, my observations on this ranch is that they do the same things on the sabbath as they do any other day.

the birds and bees and other wild animals also do the same things every day regardless of what day it it.

they all hunt food.
My sheeps don't hunt for food, they just take a step and eat. And then lie down to chew their cud. However, it is true that the farm animals and a great majority of animals we observe today there's not that much differences from any other day. But we shouldn't forget we are living with 6000 years of degenerative and subjection to sin. Should we assume that's how it is going to be in the new earth or in heaven also? Are we to assume that animals can't keep the sabbath?
Considering that all animals and plants supposedly are also immortal on earth recreated, whatever we see around us today will only have the most superfical resemblance to life then. Maybe there will be some kind of being that looks like a sheep and behaves like a sheep but it cannot be what we today know to be a sheep if it is immortal and keeps the sabbath. It will simply be something else and hitherto unknown to mankind.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Sabbath Keeping Bees in Brazil? [Re: kland] #115436
07/04/09 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
I recall objecting to someone who forwarded an e-mail about McDonald's teaming up with Bill Gates to give them lots of money for just forwarding the e-mail to everyone they knew. I questioned if that was even reasonable. They responded that it might not be true, but they have to believe it because they hated their job and this was the only way out.
Urban legend is what it was called.


What's so wrong with asking if the bees do rest?
What's so wrong to ask when do they rest?
What's so wrong to ask how do they rest?
What's wrong with asking how many observed this?
What's wrong with asking why searching for "Sabbath keeping bees" only turns up the one video site (without text) and this one?
What's so wrong with asking what would be the purpose of them resting?
What's so wrong with asking why just these bees and not others?
What's so wrong with asking if bees can sin?
What's so wrong with asking how that enters into the corporate worship idea?

What's wrong with critical thinking?
I guess whats wrong with critical thinking is that once someone starts to think for themselves, they will no longer buy whatever you say in the bag. They will consider their aviable evidence and may then come to a different conclusion from the one you came to. Which is scary if you are looking towards a totalitarian system where everyone must think exactly like you do. Which is why totalitarian revolution sends so many educated people to the gallows.

Then again, critically considering something, your faith for instance, is the only way to take the step from borrowing your parents/teatchers/friends faith and aquire a faith of your own. A borrowed faith may look good and pass the exam of the mind police, but only an integrated faith that is your own will pass the exam of the pearly gates.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Sabbath Keeping Bees in Brazil? [Re: vastergotland] #125895
06/15/10 11:14 AM
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Some time ago I realized what Dr. Lee was speaking about - the circaseptan rhythm.

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The most intriguing of all biological rhythms are those set to a clock of about seven days. In his chapter "The Importance of Time," Jeremy Campbell reports: "These circaseptan, or about weekly, rhythms are one of the major surprises turned up by modern chronobiology. Fifteen years ago, few scientists would have expected that seven-day biological cycles would prove to be so widespread and so long established in the living world. They are of very ancient origin, appearing in primitive one-celled organisms, and are thought to be present even in bacteria, the simplest form of life now existing." [Jeremy Campbell, Winston Churchill's Afternoon Nap, (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1986), p. 75]

One of Franz Halberg's amazing discoveries is that of an innate rhythm -- about seven days -- occurring in a giant alga some five million years old on the evolutionary time line. Because this microscopic cell resembles a graceful champagne glass, the alga (plant) is popularly known as mermaid's wineglass (Acetabularia mediterranea). When this "primitive" alga is subjected to artificial schedules of alternating light and dark spans of varying length over many days, this single intact cell is somehow able to translate all that manipulation of light and darkness into the measurement of a seven-day week!

As Campbell says, this inherent rhythm has to do with the internal logic of the body, not with the external logic of the world. Many more examples could be given. Involved experimentation with rats, face flies, plants and other life have revealed circaseptan rhythms similar to that of the mermaid's wineglass. [Franz Halberg, "Quo Vadis Basic and Clinical Chronobiology: Promise for Health Maintenance," American Journal of Anatomy 168:543-594 (1983), pp. 569-570; Campbell, pp. 75-76.]

http://www.biblestudy.org/godsrest/mysterious-seven-day-cycle-in-plants-animals-man-1.html


Re: Sabbath Keeping Bees in Brazil? [Re: Rosangela] #125896
06/15/10 11:18 AM
06/15/10 11:18 AM
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More about it:

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But was it culture and religion alone that eventually moved earth's six billion people to now harmonize in a universal seven-day rhythm [the week]? The new and respected science of chronobiology (the study of how living things handle time) says no. Its discovery of circaseptan ("about seven") rhythms in human and other life forms points toward a biological explanation for the mystery of the week. In his study into the human nature of time, Jeremy Campbell states: "Inner time structure, in certain of its manifestations, seems to determine outer time structure, rather than the other way round. Rhythms of about seven days arose in living creatures millions of years before the calendar week was invented, and may conceivably be the reason why it was invented." [Jeremy Campbell, Winston Churchill's Afternoon Nap, (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1986). p. 83]

In addition to being the key coordinating rhythm for the rest of the body's many rhythmic interactions, a seven-day cycle has been found in fluctuations of blood pressure, acid content in blood, red blood cells, heartbeat, oral temperature, female breast temperature, urine chemistry and volume, the ratio between two important neurotransmitters, norepinephrine and epinephrine, and the rise and fall of several body chemicals such as the stress coping hormone, cortisol. "In fact," Perry and Dawson note, "weekly rhythms appear easiest to detect when the body is under stress, such as when it is defending itself against a virus, bacterium, or other harmful intruder. For example, cold symptoms (which are really signs of the body defending itself against the cold virus) last about a week. Chickenpox symptoms (a high fever and small red spots) usually appear almost exactly two weeks after exposure to the illness.:" [Susan Perry and Jim Davson, The Secrets Our Body Clocks Reveal, (New York: Rawson Associates, 1988) p. 22.]

Doctors have long observed that response to malaria infection and pneumonia crisis peaked at seven days. Organ transplants face similar crises as the body's immune system attack the foreign organ. Campbell explains: "When a human patient receives a kidney transplant, there is a rhythm of about seven days, a predictable rise and fall in the probability that the body's immune system will reject the new kidney. A major peak of rejection occurs seven days after the operation, and when a serum is given to suppress the immune reaction, a series of peaks occurs, with increasing risk of rejection, at one week, two weeks, three weeks and at four weeks, the time of the highest of all." [Campbell, p 76.]

...

Not only did the Designer/Creator leave his finger prints on everything he made, he left his calling card bonded to living cells telling us when he made life: in a seven-day creation week. That's when he wound up the clock of life and set it ticking in each of its forms to a rhythm of sevens. He gave life the frequency of seven. It's the beat of creation, a harmonic that points directly to the life-starter, life-giver himself!

http://www.biblestudy.org/godsrest/mysterious-seven-day-cycle-in-plants-animals-man-2.html

Re: Sabbath Keeping Bees in Brazil? [Re: Rosangela] #125927
06/18/10 01:06 PM
06/18/10 01:06 PM
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"A major peak of rejection occurs seven days after the operation,"

This would indicate a seven day cycle but not one which coincides with the Sabbath.

I tried searching for Acetabularia mediterranea and seven days, but found it interesting to only find religious sites. If a seven day cycle is significant, why isn't it in published journals?

I did find this site which may be of interest to others about the 7-day cycle. Look about halfway down then in the physical evidence section of the lengthy comment from Mr. Ex Nihilo which also quotes Cambell:
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=6&t=475&m=130#m194829

Re: Sabbath Keeping Bees in Brazil? [Re: kland] #125929
06/18/10 09:02 PM
06/18/10 09:02 PM
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This would indicate a seven day cycle but not one which coincides with the Sabbath.

Yes, sin has altered many things. The circaseptan rhythm does not necessarily coincide with the Sabbath. But it is an evidence that it was implanted in our bodies at the creation week.

Quote:
I tried searching for Acetabularia mediterranea and seven days, but found it interesting to only find religious sites. If a seven day cycle is significant, why isn't it in published journals?

What about this?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC386982/

www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/reprint/84/3/707.pdf

http://www.springerlink.com/content/42787m5q63u730r5/

http://www.nature.com/ajh/journal/v15/n3s/abs/ajh2002425a.html

etc.

Try googling "circaseptan" and you will get a wealth of material on this topic.


Re: Sabbath Keeping Bees in Brazil? [Re: Rosangela] #125932
06/18/10 09:34 PM
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Thanks. I used the wrong search terms.

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