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so the key to how you see this is the "wrath of God", what that looks like.

Well said Mountain Man -

in Christ,

Bob

I don't understand your comment. Please elaborate. Thank you.

What I'm saying is the Bible and the SOP describe several things that will happen during the outpouring of the plagues. The following passage articulates two of these things that will result in the fall of the wicked toward the end of out pouring of the plagues:

“[1] In the mad strife of their own fierce passions, and [2] by the awful outpouring of God's unmingled wrath, fall the wicked inhabitants of the earth--priests, rulers, and people, rich and poor, high and low.”

Of course, many of the wicked will have already died of other causes by the time this scene plays out.

Teresa commented:



You appear to see the "wrath of God" as meaning something God does to people. Another way of looking at the "wrath of God" is as something God permits to happen to people.

The same thing applies to "strange act." You see God's "strange act" as something God does to people, as opposed to something God allows to happen.

This gets back to our difference in paradigm. As I look to Christ, I can't see that He ever acted in this way. Given all we can know of God was revealed by Christ, I don't see how we can think that God will do these things; that is, it would be out of character, given Christ's character.

There are many examples in Scripture where God's wrath is seen to be that which He permits. For example:



God's anger is equated with His hiding His face, the result of which are many evils and troubles befalling.

I believe this is a description of how God's wrath works. It's not an isolated event where God was angry, and decided He would exhibit His anger this way this one time, but in other occasions He would do it by zapping people. Rather, this is the way His wrath works.

is Gods wrath the same as when we get angy and start swinging?

is Gods wrath like satanic wrath?

Indeed that is serious stuff. But we are blessed by the fact that God warns us ahead of time not to jump into the ditch and suffer those results.

He also gives us a message to give to others that they too do not need to suffer that horrible fate and that life is offerred to them at infinite cost to heaven.

in Christ,

Bob

yes! tho, im sure we dont see it exactly the same.

Have you gotten the five different ways I believe the wrath of God results in death and destruction?

Actually, the two ways you mentioned above are two out of the five ways death and destruction happen.

here is one example of "Gods wrath":

The sins of the world were upon him. He was suffering in man's stead, as a transgressor of his Father's law. Here was the scene of temptation. The divine light of God was receding from his vision, and he was passing into the hands of the powers of darkness. In the agony of his soul he lay prostrate on the cold earth. He was realizing his Father's frown. The cup of suffering Christ had taken from the lips of guilty man, and proposed to drink it himself, and, in its place, give to man the cup of blessing. The wrath that would have fallen upon man, was now falling upon Christ. {ST, August 14, 1879 par. 3}

The suffering Son of God leaves his disciples, for the power of darkness rushes upon him with an irresistible force which bows him to the earth. He prays as before, and pours out the burden of his soul with stronger crying and tears. His soul was pressed with such agony as no human being could endure and live. The sins of the world were upon him. He felt that he was separated from his Father's love; for upon him rested the curse because of sin. Christ knew that it would be difficult for man to feel the grievousness of sin, and that close contact and familiarity with sin would so blunt his moral sensibility, that sin would not appear so dangerous to him, and so exceedingly offensive in the sight of God. ... {ST, August 14, 1879 par. 5}

Again the powers of darkness press upon him with renewed force, bowing him to the earth. He leaves his disciples with a determination to conquer the prince of darkness, that man may not be held in chains of hopeless despair. ...The divine sufferer shuddered with amazement at this mysterious and terrible conflict. {ST, August 14, 1879 par. 9}

There was the hiding of the Father's face from his dear Son. Humanity staggered and trembled in that trying hour. It was anguish of soul beyond the endurance of finite nature. It was woe condensed that brought from the trembling lips of the noble sufferer these words: "Now is my soul troubled." "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." ...{ST, August 14, 1879 par. 12}

The glorious Redeemer of a lost world was suffering the penalty of man's transgression of the Father's law. He was about to ransom his people with his own blood. He was paying the just claims of God's holy law. This was the means through which an end was to be finally made of sin and Satan, and his vile host to be vanquished. {ST, August 21, 1879 par. 15}

Oh, was there ever suffering and sorrow like that endured by the dying Saviour! It was the sense of his Father's displeasure which made his cup so bitter. It was not bodily suffering which so quickly ended the life of Christ upon the cross. It was the crushing weight of the sins of the world, and a sense of his Father's wrath that broke his heart. The Father's glory and sustaining presence had left him, and despair pressed its crushing weight of darkness upon him, and forced from his pale and quivering lips the anguished cry: "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" {ST, August 21, 1879 par. 16}

He is dying! His Father's approving smile is removed, and angels are not permitted to lighten the gloom of the terrible hour. They could only behold in amazement their loved Commander suffering the penalty of man's transgression of the Father's law. {ST, August 21, 1879 par. 17}

The displeasure of the Father for sin, and its penalty which was death, were all that he could realize through this amazing darkness. He was tempted to fear that sin was so offensive in the sight of his Father that he could not be reconciled to his Son. The fierce temptation that his own Father had forever left him, caused that piercing cry from the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" {ST, August 21, 1879 par. 18}

Christ felt much as sinners will feel when the vials of God's wrath shall be poured out upon them. Black despair like a pall of death will gather about their guilty souls, and then they will realize to the fullest extent the sinfulness of sin. Salvation has been purchased for them by the suffering and death of the Son of God. It might be theirs if they would accept of it willingly, gladly; but none are compelled to yield obedience to the law of God. If they refuse the heavenly benefit, if they choose the pleasures and deceitfulness of sin, they can have their choice, and at the end receive their wages, which is the wrath of God and eternal death. They will be forever, separated from the presence of Jesus, whose sacrifice they had despised. They will have lost a life of happiness, and sacrificed eternal glory, for the pleasures of sin for a season. {ST, August 28, 1879 par. 1}


...think that Christ suffered only a small portion of the penalty of the law of God, and that while the wrath of God was felt by his dear Son,...Christ's keenest anguish was a sense of his Father's displeasure. His mental agony because of this was of such intensity that man can have but faint conception of it. {ST, August 28, 1879 par. 10}

The sins of the world were upon him, and also the sense of his Father's wrath as he suffered the penalty of the law. It was these that crushed his divine soul. It was the hiding of his Father's face, a sense that his own dear Father had forsaken him, which brought despair. The separation that sin makes between God and man was fully realized and keenly felt by the innocent, suffering Man of Calvary. He was oppressed by the powers of darkness. He had not one ray of light to brighten the future. And he was struggling with the power of Satan, who was declaring that Christ was in his hands, and that he was superior in strength to the Son of God, that God had disowned his Son, and that he was no longer in the favor of God any more than himself. If he was indeed still in favor with God, why need he die? God could save him from death. {ST, August 28, 1879 par. 12}