who decided paul made mistakes? i mean paul was inspired. God oversaw what was to be included in the canon.

we certainly arent deciding that we, uninspired and definitely not God, are capable of deciding what "mistakes" are in the holy word, are we?

Teresa,

When I find a clear contradiction in the Word of God, one or the other is a mistake. I suppose one could "rob Peter to pay Paul" and say the mistake was "the other guy," but then that still does not settle the matter about their having been a mistake in the canon to begin with. However, I'm quite convinced as to who made the mistake.

Do you, Teresa, view the mistakes as inspired?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Oh, didn't think about that. Well, in such case..

Its high time you put your cards on the table. Which mistakes more exactly are you finding in Pauls writings? And compared to what general message are they mistakes?

Vaster,

This thread may not be the appropriate place to go into all of that. It is not a subject for the faint of heart, and I do not enjoy dwelling upon it. However, I am concerned for those who blindly deny that their Bibles can have any errors in them, as if that which is written in human language by imperfect men can still be as perfect and infallible as God. When such persons once run against a tough issue, their faith may shatter.

Here are a few somewhat opposing viewpoints from Mrs. White which help to set some boundaries on the topic of errors in the Bible.



That's a strong statement which, if applied with a broad stroke, would nullify all of the modern Bible translations as having been forbidden works. One must be careful to discern the context...in this case, the motives of those making the corrections. That this does not apply to every case or to every person is clear from the following quote.



Finally, Mrs. White hints that the Bible itself would become a battleground in the last conflict with Satan.



Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

thomas asked you specifically about pauls writings. this is an evasive answer with a manipulative question, but i believe the light is dawning.

are you refering to pauls writings or bible translations?

except here and in subsequent posts you very clearly seem to be saying that you are capable of knowing what pauls mistakes are.

as far as im concerned you are walking on dangerous ground and i want no part of it.

Teresa,

Please remember Christian courtesy here even if you disagree. Being scornful of others could never hope to win them to your side, even if you are right and they are wrong. In fact, I was tempted to merely ignore the request to post proof on Paul's imprecision, as I do not believe Christians do well to focus on the errors of the Bible. Yet I am feeling forced by your questions to show you that which you claim is "dangerous ground." It may well be. Please do not jeopardize your soul to read any further if you feel you do not wish to be apprised of any errors.

If you choose to read the evidence which follows, I think you will understand clearly how I can be "capable of knowing what pauls mistakes are" in this case.

This one involves some elementary-school math. Paul was mistaken by nearly 100 years. But a century, for a well-educated Jew, in an age when genealogies were fresh in the Jewish mind and culture, is hardly excusable.

The error comes just under 100 years, about 94 years if I calculate right. It is in Acts 13.




Paul is giving the time line here of the Jews for a number of centuries, as follows:

40 Years -- in the wilderness
450 Years -- time of the judges until Samuel
40 Years -- reign of Saul (only reference for years of Saul in Bible)

Continuing Paul's time line from the OT we have:
40 Years -- reign of David (2 Samuel 5:4, KJV)
40 Years -- reign of Solomon (1 Kings 11:42, KJV)
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610 Years TOTAL (Exodus thru Solomon) PAUL'S FIGURE

Now, from the scribal record of the Kings and in the Chronicles, we have the following:

480 Years -- Exodus to 4th year of Solomon (1 Kings 6:1)
36 Years -- remainder of Solomon's reign
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516 Years TOTAL (Exodus thru Solomon) ACTUAL FIGURE

Therefore, 610 - 516 = 94 years discrepancy.

Either the king's scribes were wrong, or Paul was wrong. You know who I choose. Lest you think that Paul's imprecision is limited to dates and genealogies, look carefully at what he wrote here:



He appears to think that anyone who focuses too much on the details is taking things too far, even when it concerns the law. Paul is not a detailed person. We pick apart his exact wording too often to our own hurt, when he never placed so much emphasis on the exact wording himself.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

insult at will.

it is bad enough when ellen whites writings are brought into question by supposed tampering or whatever, but i will have no part in any discussion that casts doubt on any part of the word of God.

i shall give this board a rest til this subject is over.

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Then start such a thread that is appropriate for this. You have spent too much time complaining about Pauls errors not to come clean on what exactly those errors are. Your concern for those with a blind faith in biblical inerracy is touching but may I remind you that what sets you free from a lie is truth, not suppressed truth. It is a strong statement, but it seems you and I read it in opposite ways. You apparently see it commenting those who would update archaic language from older translations to newer translations. I see it refering much more directly to what you have been doing here, with your repeated suggestion that Paul ought to have written differently than how he wrote in the interest of truth. It appears to me that in this thread, you was that man who "set themselves to correct the errors of the Bible."