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Re: Strange and Unheard of Supposed Comments By Seventh-day Adventists
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07/28/09 02:24 PM
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GC, it's not clear why you are quoting the things you are. It appears you may be confusing the law with the covenant.
You said you were having trouble with the four points I cited, so I requoted them, along with the SOP references. Did this make things clear?
If you would write out what you are thinking, that would be helpful. Perhaps responding to the four points I made would be a good place to start. I underlined the portion of the quotes I thought most specifically applied, about 6 posts above this one.
Regarding if Paul agreed with Esau, of course not. The Ten Commandments is the "easy yoke" to which Christ referred in saying "My yoke is easy," and Paul knew that. It is the *covenant* that was bondage, not the law, as I mentioned previously.
The yoke comes about when the law is written on tables of stone as opposed to the tables of the heart. As long as the law is something outside of ourselves, we will be in bondage. But when we accept Christ's righteousness (the New Covenant, PP 372) as opposed to seeking to establish our own righteousness (the Old Covenant, PP 372) then, the law being written in our heart, we walk in freedom, as opposed to being in bondage.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Strange and Unheard of Supposed Comments By Seventh-day Adventists
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07/28/09 09:52 PM
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it seems to be a problem of understanding what imparted righteousness is.
somehow it seems to be understood that if one is living by grace, or in the "Spirit" that they are ignoring the law.
we have to live the law perfectly,
not one slip,
no matter how minor ever.
we cannot.
Christ came, lived that perfect life and offers it to us as a gift.
not just a covering,
but inside, by faith.
the only way that we can obey the law is by accepting Christs righteousness, the "new man" in us, by faith.
anything else is self-righteousness, filled with self, filthy rags, etc. Christ has paid the price of your redemption.... But you cannot come expecting that Christ will cover your wickedness, cover your indulgence in sin, with his robe of righteousness. He has come to save his people from their sins.... {ST, May 9, 1892}
Yet we should never be content with a sinful life. It is a thought that should arouse Christians to greater zeal and earnestness in overcoming evil, that every defect in character, every point in which they fail to meet the divine standard, is an open door by which Satan can enter to tempt and destroy them; and, furthermore, that every failure and defect on their part gives occasion to the tempter and his agents to reproach Christ. We are to exert every energy of the soul in the work of overcoming, and to look to Jesus for strength to do what we can not do of ourselves. No sin can be tolerated in those who shall walk with Christ in white. The filthy garments are to be removed, and Christ's robe of righteousness is to be placed upon us. By repentance and faith we are enabled to render obedience to all the commandments of God, and are found without blame before him. Those who shall meet the approval of God are now afflicting their souls, confessing their sins, and earnestly pleading for pardon through Jesus their Advocate. Their attention is fixed on him, and when the command is given, "Take away the filthy garments," and clothe him with "change of raiment," and "set a fair miter upon his head," they are prepared to give him all the glory of their salvation.
(To be concluded)
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{RH, January 2, 1908 par. 12}
[The Review and Herald] the quote you provided proves my point. are you seeing me as sayin something differently?
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Strange and Unheard of Supposed Comments By Seventh-day Adventists
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07/28/09 09:55 PM
07/28/09 09:55 PM
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Regarding the sentence in bold which you cited: Satan has confused their minds, leading them to look upon the law as a yoke of bondage, a hindrance to spirituality. Nobody said anything about the *law* leading to bondage. It's the *covenant* that leads to bondage (i.e., the Old Covenant). There's nothing wrong with the law. The problem comes when one tries to establish one's own righteousness by it (the Old Covenant) as opposed to accepting the righteousness of Christ (the New Covenant), which point is made here: The "new covenant" was established upon "better promises"--the promise of forgiveness of sins and of the grace of God to renew the heart and bring it into harmony with the principles of God's law. "This shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts . . . . I will forgive their iniquity, and will remember their sin no more." Jeremiah 31:33, 34.
The same law that was engraved upon the tables of stone is written by the Holy Spirit upon the tables of the heart. Instead of going about to establish our own righteousness we accept the righteousness of Christ.(PP 372;emphasis mine) Please note here that EGW is contrasting the Old Covenant with the New Covenant. Having the law written on the heart is the essence of the New Covenant. In the Old Covenant, the law is only written on stone, which is why it gives birth to bondage. The New Covenant gives birth to freedom, because in it the law is written in the heart. The problem is not one of the law, but of the heart. O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!(Deut. 5:29) Christ does not lessen the claims of the law. In unmistakable language He presents obedience to it as the condition of eternal life--the same condition that was required of Adam before his fall. The Lord expects no less of the soul now than He expected of man in Paradise, perfect obedience, unblemished righteousness. The requirement under the covenant of grace is just as broad as the requirement made in Eden--harmony with God's law, which is holy, just, and good. {COL 391.2}
Esau had no love for devotion, no inclination to a religious life. The requirements that accompanied the spiritual birthright were an unwelcome and even hateful restraint to him. The law of God, which was the condition of the divine covenant with Abraham, was regarded by Esau as a yoke of bondage. Bent on self-indulgence, he desired nothing so much as liberty to do as he pleased. To him power and riches, feasting and reveling, were happiness. He gloried in the unrestrained freedom of his wild, roving life. {CC 61.2} Do you think Paul agreed with Esau? no. but it seems you do. and that is very sad that you dont seem to have a clue what pauls points are. its like paul said the sky is blue today, but somehow your mind is hearing him say, the sky is green today.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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