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Re: Lesson #3 - Walking in the Light — Turning Away From Sin
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Regarding #116885, my point was that if a person stops sinning, it's only by the grace of God that this is possible. Some people are able to achieve a certain level of behavior by willpower, but outward "righteousness" is not the same thing as being born again, which involves a transformation of the the heart. Amen! But what is it called when people give up certain sinful habits without the renewing power of God? I agree we cannot say they have stopped "sinning". But what it is called? im interested in why you bring this up.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Lesson #3 - Walking in the Light — Turning Away From Sin
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Regarding #116885, my point was that if a person stops sinning, it's only by the grace of God that this is possible. Some people are able to achieve a certain level of behavior by willpower, but outward "righteousness" is not the same thing as being born again, which involves a transformation of the the heart. Amen! But what is it called when people give up certain sinful habits without the renewing power of God? I agree we cannot say they have stopped "sinning". But what it is called? im interested in why you bring this up. Teresa, I bring it up because of what Ellen White wrote in SC:
It is true that there may be an outward correctness of deportment without the renewing power of Christ. The love of influence and the desire for the esteem of others may produce a well-ordered life. Self-respect may lead us to avoid the appearance of evil. A selfish heart may perform generous actions. By what means, then, shall we determine whose side we are on? {SC 58.1} it looks very confusing, like it is redirecting into another subject somehow. perhaps others get the point and the connection.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Lesson #3 - Walking in the Light — Turning Away From Sin
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M: Regarding #116885, my point was that if a person stops sinning, it's only by the grace of God that this is possible. Some people are able to achieve a certain level of behavior by willpower, but outward "righteousness" is not the same thing as being born again, which involves a transformation of the the heart.
M: Amen! But what is it called when people give up certain sinful habits without the renewing power of God? I agree we cannot say they have stopped "sinning". But what it is called?
T: I think she's saying the same thing I did, which is that outward righteousness is not the same thing as being born again, which involves a transformation of the heart. Regarding what to call it, I think one could call it that. Outward righteousness. Okay, I can go along with that. It ties in nicely to what Isaiah wrote about it: "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." Some people refer to it as, Beautiful Sin or Self-Righteousness.
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