France to use swine flue to gut laws: report In case of a swine flu pandemic the French government has a plan to introduce emergency measures that would gut legal protections for citizens, the daily Liberation reported Tuesday.

According to documents provided to the daily by a judges' union, the plan would extend the period police can keep a suspect in detention without charge or a hearing before a judge to up to six months.

Suspects would also not be able to contact a lawyer until after spending 24 hours in custody.

Under the plan children could be tried in adult courts and more trials held behind closed doors.

The Syndicat de la Magistrature called the measures "revolting" and said they would amount to "liberticide," and called on Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie to abandon the plan.

The union was due to release on Tuesday the text of the government plan, which it said was provided to heads of courts in great secrecy in July, the newspaper reported.

Swine flu, or the A(H1N1) virus, the first pandemic to be declared by the World Health Organization in this century, has so far claimed 15 lives in France, out of at least 2,837 worldwide.

The French government has conducted extensive planning to prepare for an expected new wave of infections as the autumn flu season approaches in the northern hemisphere.

. H1N1 October surprise prevention by Deborah Dupre
Global Research, August 22, 2009
The Examiner

The core essence of "Greater Things" is that there is always a better way to do things -- anything -- whether it be religion, politics, science, academia -- anything. To the extent that we get institutionalized and codified in a set belief system, is the extent that we inhibit the ability to grow and learn new and better ways. - Dr. Andrew Moulden.

A growing number of doctors, other health professionals and citizens are attempting to prevent the humanitarian disaster planned for this October when the new H1N1 vaccine is to be deployed in a grand scale, military, war on terror manoeuvre .

"Primum non nocere" ("First do no harm"), medical ethics standard attributed to Hippocrates that became obligatory for physicians prior to practicing medicine in the 4th century AD is still upheld by some doctors who oppose the worldwide October plan including what Global Research Director, Michel Chossudovsky warns is a military operation leading to global militarization control of individuals.

An under-reported first International Swine Flu Conference being held in Washington DC this weekend includes sessions on “conducting morgue operations,” “mass fatality planning” and “unwillingness to follow government orders,” and “training teachers to screen for symptoms …and “transport ill students.”(Jesse Woodrow, They have planned to take kids from schools for Mass Vaccinations and Quarantines WAKE UP!) (video)

Dr. Chossudovsky asserts that chilling reports such as those recently released in the UK about mass morgues are “totally fabricated” and “[t]here is absolutely no scientific evidence to support these claims.” (Michel Chossudovsky, Fear, Intimidation & Media Disinformation: U.K Government is Planning Mass Graves in Case of H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic, Global Research, August 21, 2009) (online)

“Realities are turned upside down. The British government is deliberately misleading the British public,” states Chossudovsky.

“There is ample evidence, documented in numerous reports, that the WHO's level 6 pandemic alert is based on fabricated evidence and a manipulation of the figures on mortality and morbidity resulting from the N1H1 swine flu,” he advises. (emphasis added)

CBS in London reported, “Experts estimate swine flu to be about as dangerous as seasonal flu, and there usually isn't a high demand for those vaccines.” (CBS, Gov'ts Worry About H1N1 Vaccine Contracts, London, July 16, 2009. (online)

“State and local public health planners,” however, “have been asked to plan for vaccine becoming available mid-October under the following scenarios: 40, 80, or 160 million doses becoming available from the 5 manufacturers (total) over approximately a one month period, followed by weekly amounts of 10, 20 or 30 million doses” according to the recent CDC report.

Barbara Loe Fisher is alerting the public to recognize that the flu is not the problem and that the dangerous vaccine and further removal of rights requires urgent public education and action to thwart the October plan.
Sherry Beal stated yesterday during the KPFK public radio “Health Planet, Health Me” program that H1N1 is by far the greatest issue impacting humanity than anything that has happened in her 25 years as a health science journalist, (KPFK Sherry Beal radio interview, “Healthy Planet Healthy Me, August 21, 2009) yet mainstream news has made little if any mention of the Washington DC conference ending today. (audio)

Deadly vaccines deployed this October

Numerous doctors and other health professionals agree with Alliance for Human Research Protection Director, Dr. Vera Sherav who stated in the KPFK interview yesterday that H1N1 vaccine has potential to rapidly and dangerously spread the disease.

“All vaccinations cause immediate and delayed, acute and chronic, permanent and transient, disease and disorders that cut across all organ systems,” states Dr. Andrew Moulden BA, MA, MD, PhD. (video)

War tactics of fear mongering war and media black-out on vaccine dangers and martial law is seemingly designed to cause ill-informed citizens to submit to the dangerous H1N1 vaccine.

Chossudovsky's August 19 Fear, Intimidation & Media Disinformation: U.K Government is Planning Mass Graves in Case of H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic (online) report states:

"[A]mply documented and denied by Western governments, the proposed vaccines could result in more deaths than those caused by the H1N1 influenza, as confirmed by Britain's Health Protection Agency and the letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.
Chossudovsky refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

* More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
* 500 cases of GBS were detected.
* The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
* The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
* The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected. (Mail on Sunday, August 16, 2009)

Code Red in effect now - martial law

Few choices will be allowed to citizens in the present Code Red Emergency, according to Barbara Loe Fisher, President National Vaccine Information Center. (video)

Massachusetts legislators have already passed pandemic influenza legislation legalizing entering homes without consent of occupants, quarantining without consent and abandoning free assembly of citizens.
The National Vaccine Information Center public vaccine education and advocacy watchdog, urges everyone to rapidly become informed about H1N1 ‘swine’ flu, vaccines and rights on freedom of choice, and to act upon them:

"As Dept of Homeland Security Officials are declaring that ‘any’ disease outbreak is a matter of ‘Homeland Security,’

As Dept of Defense are defining public demonstrations as ‘low-level terrorism,’

As plans are being made to designate 'selected US airports as quarantine centers through which all airplanes would be Re-routed for passenger health inspection;’
And as fast-tracked ‘experimental’ pandemic flu vaccines are being created to be given first to American children in schools:

It is time for all of us, whether public health doctors or ordinary citizens trying to protect our health; it is up to all of us to act in responsible and rational ways.” (Barbara Loe Fisher, 2009)
Mass public education about mass vaccination planned

Yesterday, Dr. Sherav agreed with knowledgeable ethical doctors globally: the "vaccine can absolutely spread the H1N1 ‘swine flu.'” (KPFK Sherry Beal radio interview, “Healthy Planet Healthy Me, August 21, 2009) (audio)

“This is no time to be a spectator, nor to hide in fear, and there's no sense in waiting until the worst possible scenario happens,” writes citizen action group, Vaccine Resistance Movement (VRM) coordinators, Wayne Prante and Joel Lord on the world's largest online social network, Face book. (online)

Through Facebook, VRM is leading a global “We’re Not Going To Take It” events next weekend, August 28th-30th.

“This is about the most basic of all human rights: control over our own bodies and health decisions,” VRM states.

Learn more, take responsible action, and keep asking, "Why?" and "Why not?" Subscribe below and see Dupre's website.

For more information H1N1 and about how you, your family and community can affect change by pressuring Congress to pass self-shielding legislation, see "Warning in the eye of the false flag storm" by Dupre, complete with community learning activities. Watch the edutaining, Video/Song: 'Trillion - Say No To The Vaccine. Want to write for the Examiner? Please email Dupre for more information about this opportunity. Keep the peace through responsible action and accountability.

Hmm, I thought it interesting when he listed what a good supplement should contain only to follow up with, 'and I happen to be selling what I just told you that you need'. Oh well..

Hmm, I thought it interesting when he listed what a good supplement should contain only to follow up with, 'and I happen to be selling what I just told you that you need'. Oh well..

Greenie, Colin & kland,

Even if he does not represent Big Pharma, he still talks in his own interest. Which means that he is highly unlikely to reveal anything that would be negative towards the products he sells. If such exist and he is aware of them, we would not learn about them from his mouth.

1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked

At least 20 million people died in the 1918 influenza epidemic and Eleanora McBean, Ph.D., N.D. tells us something pretty interesting about it. Drug-oriented medical doctors and hospitals, she tells us, "were losing 33% of their flu cases," while "non-medical hospitals such Battle Creek, Kellogg and MacFadden's Health Restorium were getting almost 100% healings."

Most people reading this already know that drugs are almost never the answer to what ails the body. But do you know how they were achieving an almost 100% recovery rate at Battle Creek, a facility run by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg?

A 1918 article titled Spanish Influenza Treatment, edited by Dr. Kellogg, shares the recommended influenza protocols:

First the patients were doing water enemas twice a day to clean their bowels. They'd use 2 or 3 pints of warm water and cleanse their colon thoroughly, until all the filth was removed. The enemas started at the beginning of the disease and continued until complete recovery.

Second, the patients were drinking 3 or 4 quarts of water or fruit juice each day to promote elimination through the kidneys and skin. A glass was taken each half hour, when awake. Fiber, such as bran, was mixed into foods including oatmeal and rice to promote bowel movements and the elimination of the problem.

Short hot baths and hot blanket packs were used to ease fevers and help with pain in the back and legs. A hot blanket pack entailed wrapping a person in a "hot as they could stand," wrung-out wet blanket fotr 12 to 15 minutes. A wool blanket covered the outside of the wet blanket, and heads and faces were kept cool. If the pulse was rapid, an ice pack was held over the heart. For very high fevers, the hot blanket packs were used only for 4 or 5 minutes.

Cold compresses were used for headaches. For high fevers, a cold compress was used immediately after a short hot blanket pack to bring down the fever.

It wasn't said, because in 1918 it wasn't such a widespread problem, but obviously sugar, processed foods and junk foods should be avoided in the case of any flu or influenza. That's just common sense whenever your body is showing signs of problems. Patients were also kept in bed for several days after the fever was gone.

It was stated that these measures, applied intelligently, would bring the number of deaths from influenza, and the pneumonia that often followed, to a "negligible quantity." --NaturalNews.com - Sept. 9, 2009.

Suzanne

Greenie, Colin & kland,

Even if he does not represent Big Pharma, he still talks in his own interest. Which means that he is highly unlikely to reveal anything that would be negative towards the products he sells. If such exist and he is aware of them, we would not learn about them from his mouth.

We got one hour, by the way, for lectures on vitamins and minerals in medical school. A whole blinking hour.

As you know, even though we have the First Amendment in the Constitution, the FDA has negated the First Amendment when it comes to free speech in health care ever since about the ‘40s and ‘50s. That’s why if you pick up your bottle of vitamins in your local natural food store, let’s say you pick up a bottle of Vitamin E or something, all it says is “supports cardiovascular health.” Because if they were to put on there that Vitamin E has been found in this scientific study over here to cut the rate of heart attacks by this percent, even though the research is true, they could be hauled up by the FDA on the grounds of making an unapproved claim. The FDA doesn’t care whether it’s true or not, they just care whether they’ve approved it.

And so, fish oil, for example. Everybody knows, and all the major medical journals have published it in the last two years, that taking enough fish oil every day cuts your risk of sudden cardiac death by 50 percent or more, and yet if anybody put that on a label of a fish oil bottle, they would be out of business tomorrow, I guarantee it.

here’s another little inside truth, not secret, but truth. It gets printed every once in a while and I’ve seen it online. In the mid 1990s, at someone’s cardiology convention, the Annual Convention of the American College of Cardiologists or something, one of the speakers asked that particular audience, “How many of you recommend Vitamin E to your patients?” And approximately 25 to 30 percent of the doctors there raised their hands—remember this is conventional, that’s pretty good. And, “How many of you take Vitamin E yourself?” Better than half of the room raised their hands!

We’ve cleared up any number of cases of people with terrific flu whose families knew better than to take them to the hospital, they bring them over to the clinic. We run in the high-dose Vitamin C, and they have remarkable turnaround. But that’s not the only thing. There are dozens and dozens of articles in the so-called medical literature from the 1930s and mostly 1940s about outright cures of the dread viral diseases of the day with something called ultraviolet blood irradiation, and many of those articles were published by doctors working in hospitals at the time.

And now you cannot find one hospital in the whole United States that has an ultraviolet blood irradiation machine, and you cannot find one hospital in the whole United States that gives high-dose intravenous Vitamin C. And there’s a third thing I’m going to be talking about, and that is the use of ozone intravenously, which was introduced in Germany in the 1920s and in German practice and in American practice, is known to reduce the odds, and none of these things eliminate the odds, but reduce the odds, dramatically, of dying from any of the serious viral diseases.



Well, what’s done is to take the blood out into a bottle, ozonate the blood in the bottle and flow the blood back into the person. But anyway, all of these things dramatically reduce the risk (although they do not work 100 percent) of death from SARS, from any of the dread viral diseases.

And yet can you get that treatment in any American hospital today? Rhetorical question. No, you can’t. You’ve got to go see a so-called alternative medicine doctor, who uses those techniques.

“Hey folks! First thing you want to do about viral diseases is prevent them—eat right, get the sugar out of your diet. Don’t eat stuff you’re allergic to. Use the Vitamin A, use the Vitamin C, take your Echinacea and boost your immune system.” Do all that, and you won’t catch it in the first place, or at least you’ll greatly reduce your odds of catching it in the first place. But if you do happen to catch it, there is treatment, even if it gets serious.

There is just the best controlled, double-blind, placebo-controlled research out there that the element strontium, when combined with calcium and Vitamin D, can dramatically help to reverse osteoporosis. The latest study reported a gain of 15 percent over three years in bone in the spine and 9 percent in the hip, and there is no patent medicine on the market that comes close. And the strontium’s in all the health food stores. Have we heard this in the major media anywhere?

Here’s a research article from Finland, or from Scandinavia anyway, it might have been Finland. A whole bunch of kids, starting at age one, were started on 2000 units (and we’re told by the FDA that’s going to kill them if they’re one year old) of Vitamin D, and that was maintained for a few years, and there’s a control group that didn’t get any Vitamin D. And when they finally looked at all the statistics, And that is fantastically significant! And here we’ve got the American Diabetes Association going around collecting money to cure diabetes. Excuse me—somebody just showed us how to prevent it!

1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked

If this is true --
IT IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A noteworthy article from Global Research with two recent videos:
Vaccine shot or Detention Camp? -
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15272

America: Police and Military Train To Intern Swine Flu Vaccine "Refusniks"

by Paul Joseph Watson
Global Research, September 18, 2009
Prison Planet - 2009-09-17

Law enforcement and military personnel are training to set up checkpoints in order to catch people who refuse to take the swine flu vaccination according to whistle blowers, while health authorities are laying the groundwork for a mass vaccination campaign by warning that serious and potentially deadly health problems will be blamed on the H1N1 vaccine.

In a You Tube video, a woman describing herself as a soldier explains how she was part of a drill in California centered around setting up roadblocks and checkpoints so authorities could check who has received the swine flu vaccine. Those who have had the shots will be fitted with an RFID bracelet so they can be tracked. Those who have not taken the shot will be offered it there and then and if they still refuse, will be carted off to an internment camp, according to the woman.

Watch the clip.

This individual needs to go public with her full name and position because she will already be known to authorities. By remaining anonymous to the public only, her testimony can be dismissed as just someone ranting on You Tube. However, her statements about tracking people who have taken the vaccine via RFID bracelets is something that has already been beta tested by health authorities.

Former Kansas state trooper Greg Evensen underscored this claim back in July. “Have you been made aware of the massive roadblock plans to stop all travelers for a vaccine bracelet (stainless steel band with a micro-chip on board) that will force you to take the shot?” Evensen wrote on July 29. “Refuse it? You will be placed on a prison bus and taken to a quarantine camp. What will you do when your children are NOT allowed into school without the shot? What will you do when you are not allowed into the workplace without the vaccine paperwork? Buy groceries? Go to the bank? Shop anywhere?? Get on a plane, bus or train? Use the toilet in the mall? Nope. Police officers will become loathed, feared, despised and remembered for their ‘official’ duties.”

Mr. Evensen made the following comment at an event in Texas:

Authorities in Boston have already trialed such technology, with the purpose of creating a “vaccination map” charting which people have taken the vaccine and which have not, or “creating a citywide registry of everyone who has had a flu vaccination,” as a Boston Globe article describes.

Participants were given a bracelet with a unique identifier code, exactly as described in the You Tube clip.


“Infectious disease specialists in Boston and elsewhere predicted that the registry approach could prove even more useful if something more sinister strikes: a bioterrorism attack or the long-feared arrival of a global flu epidemic. In such crises, the registry could be used to track who received a special vaccine or antidote to a deadly germ,” according to the article.

“Anything you can do to better pinpoint who’s vaccinated and who’s not, that’s absolutely vital,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy at the University of Minnesota. “I wish more cities were doing this kind of thing.”

While governments have publicly backed away from talk of mandatory mass vaccination programs, their actions behind closed doors indicate that they are preparing for a state of medical martial law.

An international swine fu conference held recently in Washington DC and attended by the world’s top health authorities featured workshops on enforced quarantines, mass vaccinations, and how to “control and diffuse social unrest and public disorder.” Individuals who attempted to gain access to the conference representing the media were turned away by officials at the conference.

As we reported earlier this month, a shocking internal document outlines the French government’s plan to impose a mass swine flu vaccination program on the entire population which would be focused around regional vaccination centers and would be carried out by H1N1 injection teams, completely bypassing medical establishments and GP’s.

Legislation has also been passed in the U.S. that would allow state vaccine teams to go door to door to conduction immunization “interventions” and look for people who have not taken the shot.

It is unclear how authorities plan to enforce any such mandatory vaccination campaign, especially in light of anecdotal evidence suggesting that a large majority of the public will refuse to take the shots. Polls taken in the UK indicate that a majority of nurses and other health workers, the primary targets for the first round of vaccinations, will refuse to be vaccinated.

It is likely that threats, intimidation and removal of rights and conveniences will force most holdouts to take the shot. Once governments start imposing quarantines and travel bans on people for not taking the shot, a sizeable number are likely to acquiesce.

Since the dangerous ingredients that will be included in the H1N1 shots became known to the public, opposition to proposed mass vaccination programs has snowballed.

As we have previously documented, the swine flu vaccine was rushed through safety procedures while governments have provided pharmaceutical companies with blanket immunity from lawsuits arriving out of the vaccine causing deaths and injuries.

It was previously revealed that some batches of the vaccine will contain mercury, a toxin linked with autism and neurological disorders. The vaccine will also contain the dangerous ingredient squalene, which has been directly linked with cases of Gulf War Syndrome and a host of other debilitating diseases.

It was also recently reported that the UK government sent a confidential letter to senior neurologists telling them to be on the alert for cases of a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine. The CDC in America replicated this warning weeks later.

As a result of the dangers of the vaccine becoming widely known, authorities are moving to get out ahead of the story by acknowledging that millions of health problems in the aftermath of a vaccination campaign will be blamed on the vaccine, citing the 1976 swine flu debacle when the shot proved far deadlier than the actual virus.

Reuters reports that public health officials, “Expect an avalanche of so-called adverse event reports, which are reports of death, illness or other health trauma that occur within two weeks after receiving treatment — in this case, the swine flu vaccine,” in reaction to an estimated “one million heart attacks, 700,000 strokes and 900,000 miscarriages.”

“We are going to be overwhelmed with potential events,” said Mike Osterholm, a public health expert at the University of Minnesota.

By coming out early and claiming that these problems would have occurred without the swine flu vaccine anyway, authorities are creating plausible deniability for when side-effects from the shot begin to appear.

A number of factors now indicate that authorities in both America and Europe are not only preparing mass vaccination programs, but are also training law enforcement and military assets on how to deal with those who refuse to take the shot. Given the fact that around 150 million Americans own guns and would be prepared to use them to defend their families against police and troops forcibly jabbing needles into them, it seems unlikely that health authorities in the U.S. will go down this route. However, by implementing travel bans, school bans and other forms of general quarantine, a good number of those refusniks may eventually be intimidated into taking the dangerous shot.

But a good number of them will stand firm – and that’s probably where the internment camps and martial law will come into play.

Only by diffusing the rampant hype behind the relatively harmless swine flu virus and re-affirming our right to reject enforced medical procedures conducted against our will under the Nuremberg code will the swine flu hoax, which is being used by governments as a smokescreen to accelerate and implement the police state, be defeated.

Paul Joseph Watson is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Paul Joseph Watson

I find this doubtful for the following reason. Why would such a "have been vaccinated" bracelett be given in roadblocks by the police rather than by the physician who gives the shot? It makes no sense to have police do at roadblocks what is much easier accomplished in other ways.

"Ferrets in a Czech Republic laboratory helped ferret out the crime when suspecting Czech officials tested the Baxter vaccine on the poor animals. When the ferrets freaked out and died, the officials sent the vaccines to laboratories for testing. The lab results proved the astonishing fact that Baxter had laced the vaccines with a deadly virus, a Biological Weapon of Mass Destruction.

Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses creating an extraordinary deadly super-airborne biological weapon. The mixing of viruses in laboratory terms is called 'reassortment'. Reassortment is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created, especially when an animal strain is mixed with a human strain. The BWMD in the disguise of a regular Flu Vaccine was distributed to 18 Countries and is likely to have been distributed throughout the USA.

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Gordon would you consider that globalresearch.ca are trustworthy news people? Have you followed news there for awhile and found they are not dwelling on sensationalism to get themselves more popular?

If this is true, do you think this will be applicable also for Canada? Do they have a date somewhere publish.

Hello Elle,

As we know, only God has the whole Truth, but the children of this world are often wiser than the children of light (Luke 16:8). Much prophecy is fulfilling, but only smooth things are heard from the pulpit.

Is Global Research a trustworthy news source? It publishes a diverse collection of articles from around the world relating to current events. As always, caveat emptor - buyer beware.

Last year on March 15th, 2008, I wrote here "Very soon, before the close of 2008, there will be massive upheaval in the global financial market."
(http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forum...96959#Post96959)

Since I'm not viewing Wall Street from my corner office, my sources are those like Global Research. Both Canada's Prime Minister and Finance Minister said they "had no warning". And many a doubting Thomas was quick to ridicule any notion of a global freeze. But Sept 2008 was a mighty crash and the situation continues to erode, despite government spin. Millions have since lost their homes, unemployment & debt escalate.

Canada: Certainly, many of Canada's programs will follow the U.S. Our police and army have been integrating with American counterparts (Dept. of Homeland Security) for several years, especially in the area of civil disaster and counter-terrorism.

The timetable is really up to the pharmaceutical (vaccine) companies as far as one can see. The health threat from H1N1 seems negligible, (many reports claim this is a manufactured plague - and so God may have intervened to switch off our H1N1 receptor gene) and the main pushers of the hype are government agencies and their lobbyists, the pharma giants. When they have the vaccine ready for shipment, that's when the program will take place. It's all about the love of money. Can you think of a better secular business plan?
Influence the government to sell your product to every single citizen. Under force of law if necessary. Brilliant and very profitable. A real coup!

Unfortunately there will be side effects. In the 1976 swine flu vaccine program in the U.S., hundreds were paralyzed with Guillan-Barré syndrome. More were hurt by the vaccine than by the flu itself.

So pray for the police, soldiers and health care workers who may be unwittingly forced (by their position) to administer harmful vaccine cocktails.

Those hardest hit by H1N1 seem to be immuno-compromised individuals, like our native peoples in their forced relocation camps. So the solution is NEWSTART and a return to simple living.

But yes, it's coming quite fast. Where are the watchmen?

_____________

Whether it's a real threat, an engineered threat or whatever

there is one thing that seems important --

EGW wrote "OUT OF THE CITIES"
it appears those who follow that counsel and don't go traveling to the cities in the next couple months have a decided advantage.

We will see..

(if all adventist follow that advice, who will then preach the 3 angles message to the great majority of the worlds people who live in cities?)

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The principal street of Battle Creek may be with-out amazing architectural beauty, but it is at least well lighted. On either curb is a row of "boulevard lights," the posts set fifty feet apart. They are good-looking posts, too, of simple, graceful design, each surmounted by a cluster of five white globes. This admirable system of lighting is in very general use throughout all parts of the country excepting the East. It is used in all the Michigan cities I visited. I have been told that it was first installed in Minneapolis, but wherever it originated, it is one of a long list of things the East may learn from the West.

After driving about for a time we drew up. Looking out, I came to the conclusion that we had returned again to the railway station.

It was a station, but not the same one.

"This is the Grand Trunk Deepo," said the driver, opening the carriage door.

"I don't believe we'll bother to get out," I said. But the driver wanted us to.

"You ought to look at it," he insisted. "It's a very pretty station."

So we got out and looked at it, and were glad we did, for the driver was quite right. It was an unusually pretty station—a station superior to the other in all respects but one : it contained no Miss Daisy Buck.

After some further driving, we returned to the station where she was.

"I suppose we had better go to the Sanitarium for lunch?" I asked her.

"Not on your life," she replied. "If you go to the `San,' you won't feel like you 'd had anything to eat—that is, not if you 're good feeders."

"Where else is there to go ?" I asked.

"The Tavern," she advised. "You '11 get a first-class dinner there. You might have larger hotels in New York, but you have n't got any that 's more home-like. At least, that 's what I hear. I never was in New York myself, but I get the dope from the traveling men."

However, not for epicurean reasons, but because of curiosity, we wished to try a meal at the Sanitarium. Thither we drove in the hack, passing on our way the office of the "Good Health Publishing Company" and a small building bearing the sign, "The Coffee Parlor"—which may signify a Battle Creek substitute for a saloon. I do not know how coffee drinkers are regarded in that town, but I do know that, while there, I got neither tea nor coffee—unless "Postum" be coffee and "Kaffir Tea" be tea.

It was at the Sanitarium that I drank Kaffir Tea. I had it with my lunch. It looks like tea, and would probably taste like it, too, if they did n't let the Kaffirs steep so long. But they should use only fresh, young, tender Kaffirs; the old ones get too strong; they have too much bouquet. The one they used in my tea may have been slightly spoiled. I tasted him all afternoon.

The "San" is an enormous brick building like a vast summer hotel. It has an office which is utterly hotel-like, too, even to the chairs, scattered about, and the people sitting in them. Many of the people look perfectly well. Indeed, I saw one young woman who looked so well that I could n't take my eyes off from her while she remained in view. She was in the elevator when we went up to lunch. She looked at me with a speculative eye—a most engaging eye, it was—as though saying to herself : "Now there 's a promising young man. I might make it interesting for him if he would stay here for a while. But of course he 'd have to show me a physician's certificate stating that he was not subject to fits." My companion said that she looked at him a long while, too, but I doubt that. He was always claiming that they looked at him.

The people who run the Sanitarium are Seventh-Day Adventists, and as we arrived on Saturday it was the Sabbath there—a rather busy day, I take it, from the bulletin which was printed upon the back of the dinner menu :

7.20 A. M. Morning Worship in the Parlor.
7.40 to 8.40 A. M. BREAKFAST.
9.45 A. M. Sabbath School in the Chapel.
11 A. M. Preaching Service in the Chapel.
12.30 to 2 P. M. DINNER.
3.30 P. M. Missionary talk.
5.30 to 6 P. M. Cashier's office open.
6 to 6.45 P. M. SUPPER.
6.45 P. M. March for guests and patients only.
8 P. M. In the Gymnasium. Basket Ball Game. Admission 25 cents.
No food to be taken from the Dining Room,

The last injunction was not disobeyed by us. We ate enough to satisfy our curiosity, and what we did not eat we left.

The menu at the Sanitarium is a curious thing. After each item are figures showing the proportion of proteins, fats, and carbohydrates contained in that article of food. Everything is weighed out exactly. There was no meat on the bill of fare, but substitutes were provided in the list of entrees: "Protose with Mayonnaise Dressing," "Nuttolene with Cranberry Sauce," and "Walnut Roast."

Suppose you had to decide between those three which would you take?

My companion took "Protose," while I elected for some reason to dally with the "Nuttolene." Then, neither of us liking what we got, we both tried "Walnut Roast." Even then we would not give up. I ordered a little "Malt Honey," while my companion called for a baked potato, saying: "I know what a potato is, anyhow!"

After that we had a little "Toasted Granose" and "Good Health Biscuit," washed down in my case by a gulp or two of "Kaffir Tea," and in his by "Hot Malted Nuts." I tried to get him to take "Kaffir Tea" with me, but, being to leeward of my cup, he declined. As nearly as we could figure it out afterward, he was far ahead of me in proteins and fats, but I was infinitely richer in carbohydrates. In our indigestions we stood absolutely even.

Not the coconut water I had in Thailand, although I heard from fellow travelers that it taste better in other parts of the world. Maybe the taste changes depending on the particular coconut species and other factors that may play in. Also, it is likely that it is an aquired taste.

I tried the real thing, purchased a young coconut and opened it up and use the juice in a smoothie.

Scrapped out the meat for something else.

Thai people are impatient. They pick most everything green. I question whether or not they would know the best time to pick a coconut.

Hi crater. What do you mean by smoothie? That you've mixed it with something?


If the coconut is very young and the meat is still like a gel, I just eat it after I drink the water. I find it delicious!

The Wiki article says that coconuts from various parts of the world differ in taste due to the soil composition.
Interesting.

Elderberry supposedly blocks hemagluttination-meaning it blocks the binding of the flu viron because it binds to the hemagluttin which keeps it from being able to pierce a host cell and replicating. Elderberry doesn’t keep you from getting the flu, but it does decrease the replication of the virus, thus allowing your own immune system time to fight back. There is a concern of cytokine storm with avian flu and possibly this new swine flu. Elderberry can stimulate cytokine production. It’s a catch-22. However, the thought is if you get the elderberry on board fast enough and take anti-inflammatory antioxidants (such as high dose Vitamin C and turmeric), you can stave off the replication of virus before you have to worry about the pnemonia/respiratory failure and cytokine storm in the lungs. http://www.kristiemcnealy.com/elderberry-extract-sambucol-fights-flu/

1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked

At least 20 million people died in the 1918 influenza epidemic and Eleanora McBean, Ph.D., N.D. tells us something pretty interesting about it. Drug-oriented medical doctors and hospitals, she tells us, "were losing 33% of their flu cases," while "non-medical hospitals such Battle Creek, Kellogg and MacFadden's Health Restorium were getting almost 100% healings."

Beta 1,3-D glucan, Manapol Powder, Arabinogalactin, Astragalus, Lactobacillus, Sporogense, Sambucus Niger 30% Extract (Elderberry), Red Wine Extract, Resveratrol, Fibersol 2TM

Immuno-plex AV has all the same ingredients as original Immuno-plex with the addition of a 30% Anthocyanin extract from the Sambucous Niger plant. This extract has published scientific evidence of being a very effective anti-viral agent. With all the emerging new viral diseases, thank God for this great tool! Each viral particle has spikes on its surface which are coated with an enzyme called neuroaminidase. These spikes are used to rip holes in your cell walls to harvest your RNA to use during viral replication. Anthocyanin extract neutralizes the neuroamnidase and effectively halts viral replication. Immuno-plex AV also contains grape based polyphenols and ResveratrolTM which work synergistically with anthocyanins to increase effect!

4. Teas (Antimicrobial)- (These teas should be taken continuously by those having a serious chronic disease.)
(a) Echinacea and Chaparral. Echinacea strengthens the immune system and Chaparral is an antibiotic. Put one heaping tablespoon of Echinacea in one quart of boiling water and boil gently for 30 minutes. Turn the flame off and add 2 tablespoons of Chaparral. Let this mixture steep for 15 minutes. Drink one cup first thing in the morning and finish the remainder of the quart throughout the day. This is one day’s dose. You must make the teas fresh daily; they lose their potency after 24 hours.
(b) Pau d’ Arco, Blue Violet and Red Clover. These herbs strengthen the immune system and cleanse the blood. Add 3 tablespoons of Pau d’ Arco to one quart of boiling water and boil gently for 15 minutes. Turn flame off, add 2 tablespoons of Blue Violet and 2 tablespoons of Red Clover to the Pau d’ Arco and let the mixture steep for 15 minutes.
(c) Do not use sweeteners in your teas. Though they are medicinal and may not appeal to your taste, the herbs were given to us by our Creator for healing. Drink them faithfully!
(d) Golden Seal and Aloe Vera may be used.
(e) Consider the herb teas as part of your 8-10 cups of daily water intake.
(f) The herb teas should be continued after the fever treatments stop. 7. Use of garlic: 4 capsules, 8 tablets or one to two fresh cloves taken 3 times daily at mealtimes.

8. Give a 3-week course of zinc supplementation, 15 mg. per day.

Elle & Gordon, by sharing about special herbs and fruits in this forum, no one is attempting to elevate anything above anything else. There is no worship of the things involved. The 8 / 10 laws of health are pretty much a given.

I believe that much of their success was in following the 8 / 10 laws of health, but as I believe västergötland pointed out they tend to be labor intensive. Who has the time? No one wants to take the time?

I believe that much of their success was in following the 8 / 10 laws of health, but as I believe västergötland pointed out they tend to be labor intensive. Who has the time? No one wants to take the time?

Why does this make me think of the obese people who want to lose weight and lose it now, but don't want to change their habits -- like, don't you have a pill or something?

Potassium Broth
 
2 cups bran
1 cup oatmeal
4 quarts water
2 large onions
2 stalks celery with leaves
bunch minced parsley
4 medium potatoes
2 vegetable oysters (a Mediterranean herb)
2 large carrots
Mix the first 3 ingredients and soak overnight. Beat up with an eggbeater and strain through a fine sieve. Thoroughly wash and thinly slice the potatoes, carrots, onions, celery, parsley, and vegetable oysters (salsify) , Cook there in the bran/oatmeal water. Let simmer in a covered kettle until the vegetables are done. Mash up vegetables and strain again through a fine sieve. “Back to Eden” by Jethro Kloss pg. 606

Barley Water

2 quarts water
1 cup hulled barley
2 lemons
1/4 cup honey

Place the water and barley into a medium saucepan; cover, set over high heat and bring to a boil. Once the barley comes to a boil, decrease the heat to low and simmer for 30 minutes. While the liquid is cooking, peel the lemons, being careful not to cut into the white pith. Juice the lemons and place the juice along with the peel into a 3-quart pitcher and set aside. If inclined, you could add some fresh ginger slices.

After 30 minutes, strain the barley water through a fine mesh strainer into the pitcher. Add the honey and stir to combine. Refrigerate may keep 4-5 days.

Super potent foods and vitamins are available to the rich - Like us with computers and cars. But if they were necessary for health, it would be an injustice to the millions who can never buy them.

The flu ---

is not the threat.

Anyone living a fairly healthy lifestyle should manage OK if things are simply left to run their course.

The threat is the vaccination.

Dr. Andrew
"28.) What, in your opinion, caused the 1918 “Spanish” flu pandemic?

Vaccinations – to the United States military personnel being deployed overseas.
Spanish Flu did not kill 20 million. It was the non-specific “M.A.S.S.” immune hypersensitivity response ........

2.) Dr. Moulden, we understand that you have made a revolutionary discovery. Can you tell us about it?

I would be happy to.

Through my extensive research and my work throughout the years, I have discovered that vaccinations are causing impaired blood flow (ischemia) to brain and body from clinically silent to death. These are strokes – across the board for all of us. I have reason to believe that all are being affected and all vaccinations ARE causing the overwhelming rise in autism, specific learning disabilities, attention deficit disorders, sudden infant death, gulf war syndrome, dementia, seizure disorders, some cancers it would appear, and much much more.

4.) What was it which caught your attention, what tipped you off and incited you to scratch the surface and investigate further?

Wild polio caused the exact same brain damages as ALL other vaccines are. Indeed, Guillian Barre syndrome and a host of other neurological disorders is being caused by a common mechanism of injury – albeit from different triggers for different individuals. This is ischemia –from impaired blood flow in microcirculation units. We simply did not appreciate what was right before our eyes.

My first cases included several Autistic and Schizophrenic patients. They were showing the exact same acute onset palsies – paralysis. These brain damages were subtle – but measurable multiple, and were present in the pre-vaccine era for wild viruses like polio and infantile paralysis.

Once I was armed with the knowledge and skills of a medical doctor, a clinical neuropsychologist, a child neurodevelopmentalist, with research experience in neuroimaging, tests and measurement, scientific method design and analysis, functional localization of brain and behavioral disorders, and a broad base across several other scientific disciplines, I was able to see “the whole forest” despite the trees. Quite literally, I believe I have found and discovered a common mechanism towards acquired human disease and disorder – all of it. It is truly humbling.

6.) What is the basic information underlying your claims and what is the foundation of your beliefs?

Germs simply are not the only root cause of death, disease, and disorder. I have now conclusively shown that ALL vaccines, from infancy to geriatric, are causing the exact same brain damages irrespective of what disease or disorder comes out. The damages are specific to end vascular “mini strokes” that are beneath the resolution of our neuroimaging, but measurable in a before/after vaccination protocol. They are also directly measurable in real time – however, this involves techniques and technology I have not disclosed to the public as yet.

Remarkably, wild polio, pre-natal German measles, measles, tetanus, “Spanish flu”, etc.. all caused the exact same damages in the pre-vaccine era. We simply did not appreciate that a generic response in the human body was causing the paralysis and respiratory failure and more in from a non-specific immune response and instability of microscopic blood flow hemodynamics.

We have weakened viruses and bacteria, injected them into all of us and caused chronic illness and disease in an attenuated form, this is how these pathogens have always caused harm. It is the bodies response to foreign things entering it, especially under hypersensitivity states, that is causing neurodevelopment disorders and chronic illness and much more.

13.) In your opinion, are all vaccines “suspect” or are there certain vaccines which are still “acceptable” and if yes, which one(s) ?

It is no longer an opinion as I now have conclusive evidence to show that ALL vaccines are causing the exact same damages for us all in the exact same manner that wild polio virus caused paralysis, respiratory failure (“Iron lung”), death, bleeding into the brain, and more.

It is the act of repeat vaccinations, properly spaced apart that is creating one part of the problem. It is the aluminum that is creating a second part of the problem. ALL other foreign substances in vaccines are creating a third part of the problem – like adding fuel to a fire. One does not need to be directly vaccinated to be vaccine injured.

Vaccines are not the only trigger that adds up to the problem. Sometimes, when the mother is immune tolerant to a specific antigenic determinant, vaccination to the mother will induce the “MASS” ischemic damages to the infant via breast feeding in the same manner that vaccination does – and cause autism (ischemic strokes). Sometimes this will cause “Mobius syndrome” in the prenatal life – 48% of these children have autism and/or childhood schizophrenia. Schizophrenia and autism are the same “beast” in pathophysiology (MASS ischemia) albeit the triggering sequence differs as a function of immunological. Electrostatic, and timing of damages in neurodevelopment.

The damages acquired are additive and summative with each vaccine. By example, I have now demonstrated that the teen girls that are having severe adverse effects from Gardasil, including death, are actually experiencing a completion of the additive neurovascular damages that were adding up with EACH childhood vaccine. These damages are also an additive for the infants and children in the same manner. These are all ischemic strokes. There is a “breaking point.” If this point is reached, in frequency, duration, or severity, in the toddler years, neuropdevelopmental disorders emerge. If it happens in a teen or adult, a different set of symptoms will emerge. The process is akin to a fast or slow “strangulation” of tissue by impaired fluid dynamics and microvascular circulation, integrity, and repair.

These claims by Dr. Moulden are both fascinating and believable. On some fronts they harmonize with dietary research - foreign matter impeding circulation, as in free fats & processed fats. I believe EGW wrote that perfect circulation equals perfect health. Am missing the source. Mini or micro strokes can sum to dementia over time.

Join Dr. Neil Nedley and Dr. Randy Siebold on the 3ABN Today program tomorrow, Thursday, October 7, 2009 starting at 8 p.m. CST. They will be discussing simple answers for the U.S. health care debacle as well as solutions for a crisis in America that is almost never talked about, yet may have deadly consequences for the U.S. economy. The program features a live call-in section.

The Basic Fallacy of Vaccinations

It has been statistically proven that the declines in different diseases occurred significantly earlier than the vaccines developed for them. In other words, the viral strains died out while possibly many who were exposed developed a natural immunity. But the vaccination manufacturers took credit so they would be supported to produce more vaccines for big bucks. It's a very profitable business for Big Pharma.

A retired vaccine scientist turned whistle blower disclosed interesting information during an interview by investigative reporter Jon Rappaport in the year 2002: "They [vaccinations] involve the human immune system in a process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones they are supposed to prevent.

The Immune System Briefly

The whistle blower, using the pseudonym of Dr. Mark Randall to protect his pension and keep from being harassed, went on to describe the immune system as being virtually the whole body and one's general emotional and mental attitude. What he and other vaccination critics point out is by injecting the vaccine directly into the blood stream, an important part of the physical body immune system is bypassed completely.

The first line of defense are the physical barriers which include the skin, mucosal membranes of the sinus area, throat and bronchial tubes and lungs, tears, ciliary elevator, (cilials are microscopic filaments that extend from mucosal linings and cells to brush and irrigate pathogens out) and urine. Chemical barriers include sebum sweat (oily secretion), stomach acid and lysozymes (the stuff that makes tears salty).

So, by injecting directly into the blood stream, this first line of defense is bypassed. It isn't able to function as a defender against the pathogens contained in the vaccine. In this case, we are dealing with live viruses in the vaccine. Attenuated means they have been processed to replicate more slowly. The adjuvants of mercury and/or squalene go right past that first line of defense as well. This, especially the squalene, often creates what is known as a cytokine storm.

A cytokine storm is when the injected pathogens and adjuvants, especially squalene, create an over reaction in the immune system. The abundance of antibodies then overwhelms healthy tissue with massive inflammation, beyond what would be a normal immune response. This can create a long term debilitating disease or even death. In other words, you get cooked in your own juices! Step right up; roll up your sleeve! This is good for you.

Kissing a vaccinated person or being near one who is sneezing and coughing could be more hazardous than dealing with someone who has the swine flu! So those good citizens who get vaccinated could turn out to be more like suicide bombers, spreading viruses while dying slow deaths themselves!

What the medical establishment doesn't know, or pretends not to know, is that the vaccination victim has what could be a low level viral infection for the rest of his life, which the immune system is forced to defend 24/7. This compromises an immune system and opens the gate for other pathogens to invade and create a fully manifested disease, even causing cancer./

So What to Do?

Avoid the vaccinations any way you can. And avoid contact with those who have received the vaccination as much as possible, or at least wear the most appropriate mask to protect you.

Store up as much Vitamin D3 (not D2) in your body as possible. Vitamin D3 is not really a vitamin. It's the most powerful steroid hormone in the body. It not only supports general health better than any of the actual vitamins, it also acts as an immune regulator by boosting your immune system when needed and slowing it down to reduce a cytokine storm! Do your own vitamin D research. There's plenty of data available on the internet now.

Sunlight.

978. This is one of nature's most healing agents. --T., V. II, p. 527.

Vitamin D is important for helping the immune system fight the flu virus. One reason why the flu may be more contagious in the winter time is because of the lack of sunlight. The lack of sunlight prevents our skin from producing sufficient levels of vitamin D. There is now documented evidence about the roles of solar ultraviolet-B radiation and vitamin D in reducing case-fatality rates from the 1918-1918 influenza Pandemic in EU.

I quote: There are two mechanisms whereby vitamin D can reduce the risk of death once the pandemic influenza virus infection took hold: reduced production of pro-inflammatory cytokines and reduced risk of bacterial pneumonia.

The type of vitamin D which can fight viruses can ONLY be made from natural sunlight. It is known as D3, which is made from sunlight when 7-dehydrocholesterol in our skin reacts with UV light.

I quote: It is then twice activated in the liver and kidney to make 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D. This attaches to receptors on genes that control their expression, which turn protein production on or off. Vitamin D regulates the expression of more than 1,000 genes throughout the body. They include genes in macrophages, cells in the immune system that, among other things, ATTACK AND DESTROY VIRUSES.

I just received the following notice:


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Indeed, too much E appeared to be detrimental. Among nonsmokers, she notes, the highest-dose supplementation "did not offer protection. In fact, there was a definite hint things were going the other way"-that the vitamin was actually fostering the production of free radicals. Blood cells from heavily supplemented smokers didn't show the same effect, presumably, she says, because any excess vitamin was being used up in detoxifying radicals generated by smoking.

How much is enough?
Although there is little doubt that antioxidants are a necessary component for good health, no one knows if supplements should be taken and, if so, how much. Antioxidants supplements were once thought to be harmless but increasingly we are becoming aware of interactions and potential toxicity. It is interesting to note that, in the normal concentrations found in the body, vitamin C and beta-carotene are antioxidants; but at higher concentrations they are pro-oxidants and, thus, harmful. Also, very little is known about the long term consequences of megadoses of antioxidants. The body's finely tuned mechanisms are carefully balanced to withstand a variety of insults. Taking chemicals without a complete understanding of all of their effects may disrupt this balance.

The researchers speculate high doses of vitamin E may upset the body's natural antioxidant process, or perhaps it interferes with the body's ability to detoxify drugs and toxins. They recommend people talk to their doctor or dietician about using vitamin E.

October 21, 2009
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Flu Policy, October 2009

Pandemic Policy

Particularly for H1N1


October 6, 2009

(Passed by the school board on October 6, 2009)

Fraser Valley Adventist Academy works with Fraser Health to ensure the best ways to deal with the threat of H1N1 in schools. FVAA is proactive in urging students to wash hands thoroughly and frequently and avoid unnecessary physical contact with others. Students are also cautioned to sneeze or cough into a tissue or the inside of their elbows. If students have a fever, they are told to remain at home until they have been free from fever and other symptoms for 24 hours. Students who become ill at school with a fever are separated from their classmates till a parent or guardian, or parent-appointed designate can pick them up from school and take them home. Students with a fever are not sent home on the bus.

Fraser Valley Adventist Academy has also installed a number of hand sanitizers around the school to help encourage students, staff, and visitors to reduce the transmission of germs and viruses.

If administration and staff become aware of a case of H1N1 associated with the school, the BC conference will be notified, and parents/guardians will be informed through OneCallNow. The school will not close unless advised to do so by Fraser Health. In order to protect the privacy of children and staff working at FVAA, we will be unable to release any details about who has H1N1.

It's interesting that you should focus on Vitamin E. There have been many studies done to find a toxicity level (overdose) for Vitamin E. No toxicity level has yet been found. Look carefully at the language of the quotes you posted. For example: "The researchers speculate high doses of Vitamin E may upset....or perhaps...." There is nothing definitive there.

Keep in mind that the pharmaceutical companies do not make money selling vitamins. Their goal (for the love of money) is to discredit vitamins, and make doctors into "unprofessional practitioners" if they recommend them.

But when one is sick, high-dose vitamins may be required to treat a vitamin deficiency and/or a condition for which the vitamin will be therapeutic. If someone gets scurvy, by all means, give them some large doses of Vitamin D.

Possible adverse effects
While being harmless in most typical quantities, as with all substances to which the human body is exposed, vitamin C can still cause harm under certain conditions. In the medical community, these are known as contraindications.

As vitamin C enhances iron absorption for iron deficiency, iron overload may become an issue to people with rare iron-overload conditions, such as Beta (&#946;) thalassemias.
A genetic condition that results in inadequate levels of the enzyme glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD), can cause sufferers to develop hemolytic anemia after ingesting specific oxidizing substances (favism), such as very large dosages of vitamin C. There are common, inexpensive tests for G6PD deficiency.
There is a longstanding belief among the mainstream medical community that vitamin C causes kidney stones, which seems based little on science.[36] Although some individual recent studies have found a relationship[37] there is no clear relationship between excess ascorbic acid intake and kidney stone formation.[38]
[edit] Side-effects
Although vitamin C can be well tolerated at doses well above the RDA recommendations, megadosing may cause side effects such as stomach upset and laxative effects such as diarrhea. The dose at which these effects may occur varies with the individual and health condition.

High quantities of any acid will raise the acidity of the stomach and potentially cause heartburn, but the pH of the acid can be simply neutralized with baking soda if mixed in ratio 1,000 mg L-ascorbic acid / 477 mg baking soda. Too much of baking soda makes the solution salty, too little will leave the solution tasting sour, just right will make it neutral with no taste. This process has no effect on vitamin C content, only on the pH of the solution and taste.
Relatively large doses of vitamin C may cause indigestion, particularly when taken on an empty stomach. This generally occurs at doses larger than 10,000 mg / day, but may occur at much higher doses if the patient is ill.[39]
When taken in large doses, vitamin C causes diarrhea. The minimum dose that brings about this laxation effect varies on the individual. This has been called the "bowel tolerance limit". It ranges from 5 to 25 grams per day in healthy individuals to 300 grams per day in severely ill patients, such as those with AIDS or cancer[citation needed].
It has been suggested that large doses of acidic vitamin C solution (ascorbic acid) swished around the mouth, rather than swallowed directly without a neutral rinse, may erode dentition.[40]
A 31-year-old Australian woman who had received a kidney transplant died soon afterward as a result of calcium oxalate deposits that destroyed her new kidney function. Doctors concluded that high-dose vitamin C therapy should be avoided in patients with kidney failure.[41] However, oxalate-induced kidney failure has been reported in people with no apparent kidney problem.[citation needed]
High dosage vitamin C ingestion may cause early onset of puberty in females. The source of the vitamin appears independent of the effect.[42][verification needed]
[edit] Chance of overdose
As discussed previously, vitamin C generally exhibits low toxicity. The LD50 (the dose that will kill 50% of a population) is generally accepted to be 11900 milligrams per kilogram in rat populations.[43] Vitamin C proponent Dr. Robert Cathcart M.D. reports that he has used intravenous doses of 60 grams, with simultaneous oral doses of unspecified amount, with no adverse effects.[7]

[edit] Conflicts with prescription drugs
Pharmaceuticals designed to reduce stomach acid, such as the proton pump inhibitors (PPIs), are among the most widely-sold drugs in the world. One PPI, omeprazole (Prilosec), has been found to lower the bioavailability of vitamin C by 12%, independent of dietary intake. The probable mechanism of vitamin C reduction, intragastric pH elevated into alkalinity, would apply to all other PPI drugs, though not necessarily to doses of PPIs low enough to keep the stomach slightly acidic.[44]

[edit] Potential harmful effects
Some test-tube experiments have interpreted that Vitamin C may have possible adverse effects on decomposition of lipid peroxides[45] in nonviable in vivo quantities and conditions[46] and inhibit caspase-8 dependent apoptosis.[47] In April 1998 the journal Nature reported pro-oxidant effects of excessive doses of vitamin C / ascorbic acid.[48] The effects were noted in test tube experiments and on only two of the 20 markers of free radical damage to DNA. They have not been supported by further evidence from living organisms.[46]
In June 2004, Duke University researchers reported an increased susceptibility to osteoarthritis in guinea pigs fed a diet high in vitamin C. However, a 2003 study at Umeå University in Sweden, found that "the plasma levels of vitamin C, retinol and uric acid were inversely correlated to variables related to rheumatoid arthritis disease activity."
A speculated increased risk of kidney stones may be a side effect of taking vitamin C in larger than normal amounts (more than 1 gram). The potential mechanism of action is through the metabolism of vitamin C to dehydroascorbic acid, which is then metabolized to oxalic acid,[49] a known constituent of kidney stones. However, this oxalate issue is still controversial, with evidence being presented for[50] and against[51] the possibility of this side effect.
"Rebound scurvy" is a theoretical, never observed, condition that could occur when daily intake of vitamin C is rapidly reduced from a very large amount to a relatively low amount. Advocates suggest this is an exaggeration of the rebound effect which occurs because ascorbate-dependent enzyme reactions continue for 24–48 hours after intake is lowered, and use up vitamin C which is not being replenished.
Some writers[52] have identified a risk of poor copper absorption from high doses of vitamin C. Ceruloplasmin levels seem specifically lowered by high vitamin C intake. In one study, 600 milligrams of vitamin C daily led to lower ceruloplasmin levels similar to those caused by copper deficiency.[53] In another, ceruloplasmin levels were significantly reduced.[54]
Some alternative medicine proponents suggest that doses of around 6-10 grams per day of vitamin C can induce an abortion in women under 4 weeks of pregnancy.[55] This is based on evidence that high-dose vitamin C increases estrogen levels that may contribute to abortion in early-stage pregnancy, and that these properties have been demonstrated in laboratory animals.[56] This theory however is in direct opposition to Dr. Klenner's claim that there were no miscarries in over 300 consecutive pregnant patients who received 3g to 6g per day of Vitamin C,[57] whereby Dr. Klenner concluded that failure to use this agent in sufficient amounts in pregnancy borders on malpractice.