Does the Bible envision us reaching a point, in this lifetime, where we cease to sin? Or, does it envision us sinning until the day Jesus arrives and gives us a new body?

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Teresaq, did I misunderstand your comment above? It sound like you are saying believers will continue to sin until Jesus returns.

where do you get that?

From what you posted above: "my brother if anyone is under any kind of illusion-delusion-that they do not sin they are in for a rude awakening when Christ returns. their estimation of the law and Christlikeness is very, very low."

Please explain what you think the Bible and the SOP teach about believers reaching "the condition of sinlessness in which Adam lived before his transgression." {HP 146.5}

then you do not appear to have understood what i meant.

no. it is not related to the point i was making. nor do i appreciate being addressed in such manner.

cease to sin -- see Rev 15

Please explain what you meant.


1. Why not?
2. What point?
3. What do you mean?

I assume you have following verses in mind:

15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints.
15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for [thou] only [art] holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

If so, please explain how these verses envision believers reaching the point, in this lifetime, where they cease to sin. Thank you.

Could we cease to sin while living in this sinful flesh?

Is ceasing to sin a must? When could we reach this point?

In His love