1) Do you believe the thief on the cross "attained" unto the experience, before he died, which everyone "must have" to be saved?

2)Do you think the following inspired insights [quoted above] describe his experience?

3)Or, do you think such a state can be attained only after years of hard work?

Ded:Sanctification being the work of a lifetime does not mean we need a long life to achieve sanctification, but that each day for the rest of our lives we are to walk with Christ as ones "set apart for holy purpose" -- sanctified by His grace.

since he didnt live to practice "sanctification" it seems rather impossible to discuss what applies to those who continue living with those who experience repentance then die soon afterward.

Sanctification being the work of a lifetime does not mean we need a long life to achieve sanctification, but that each day for the rest of our lives we are to walk with Christ as ones "set apart for holy purpose" -- sanctified by His grace.

Good point! But, in any case, if even we had prayed, but the answer is not as what we want, and Sabbath comes in between, what is your choice?? To stay and die or to save your life?

I asked this because, some times it happens when I must work on Sabbath, even though I had prayed that my work would not fall on Sabbath day. I could not leave my job, because it is an all important job and everybody is looking for me. In fact, the job could not started or running without my presents. So, i have a responsibility, obligation to people of some institutions gathering together at the location, people who are engaged in this job, everybody with their own job and responsibility.

I think, my case could be compared with those who must flight but Sabbath comes in between. What is my choice? I preffer to serve the Lord, but I could not deny my responsibility and obligation to my job and people who needs me.

And the reality I did so far, I do my job! Is God happy with this? If I deny my job and serve the Lord, I am sure that I will lost my job from this big client. This time, I don't dare to face such risk.

In His love

Another man and his wife was at the meeting at Napier. He had been in a responsible position, doing the highest duties as a police officer. He has been convicted and accepted the theory of the Sabbath; but his duties have to be done on Sabbath as on any other day, and arrests made. Now the inquiry is, What shall this man do? His wife is the main stay of the little flock at Palmerston. He attended the camp-meeting, and was deeply wrought upon. He is educated and of good intelligence: his library contains the best of histories and authors. But he was a card player and a gambler, and when his wife supposed herself well situated), she found herself and five children without shelter, her property gambled away, and her husbands bills flowing in from every quarter for settlement. He has left gambling, and given up drinking. He received as his wages $25.00 per week, but he has been reduced to $13.00 per week, and he has sent in his resignation because he cannot keep the Sabbath and hold his situation. He knows nothing of the horrors of debt. They have not known what economy is, and now this particular case is being closely watched by the world, to see what the truth will do for such a man. What can we do with him. The canvassing field is open to him, that is all the chance we can see. This and much more of the same order I might relate, has befouled this field. We are going to do what which heavenly wisdom will point out to do. This wisdom we must have or we can do nothing. {1888 1176.2}

I see the design of Satan is to put such apparent objections in the way that this field shall be left in his possession, and under his control. Now it must be taken from his hand. {1888 1177.1} [The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials (1987)]

Sabbath Dishes.-We would charge all not to wash their dishes on the Sabbath if this can possibly be avoided. God is dishonored by any unnecessary work done on His holy day. It is not inconsistent, but proper, that the dishes should be left unwashed till the close of the Sabbath, if this can be managed.--Letter 104, 1901. {3SM 258.4}

your questions, mm, are really statements of your beliefs presented as questions and therefore answerable only by you.

ellen white was quite clear in treating of the thief that he experienced deep repentance as did the publican and therefore was "justified".

since he didnt live to practice "sanctification" it seems rather impossible to discuss what applies to those who continue living with those who experience repentance then die soon afterward.

Are you saying we sin "because we have this sinful body" but "having a sinful flesh is not the reason we choose to sin"? Or, are you saying we sin because we are "a slave to [the] sin" that resides in our sinful body?


I take it you strongly disagree with the idea that we dethrone the Holy Spirit and revert back to the mind of the old man the moment we sin. I take it you also disagree with the idea that repentance gives the Holy Spirit the right to ascend the throne of our soul temple and resume empowering us from within to use our faculties of mind and body to be like Jesus.

If you sin from time to time, are you to be blamed? No! It is the sinful body to be blamed!