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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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Rosangela, A&E were also created as adults, with the ability to converse, reason, walk, run, procreate, etc. Infants are not born in the same state, not even close. The character God gave A&E when they were created is very much different than the character we give infants when they are conceived. And, yes, prenatal influences affect unborn infants, and as they react and respond to them they are developing character. It is in this sense that infants are born with character. Infants are born with a character, and a character is composed of traits. Is this character righteous like that of Adam? If not, they need the benefits of Christ's sacrifice to be saved.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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The thoughts and feelings combined make up the moral character.
Are we born with thoughts and feelings? If so, we have character.
If we are not born with thoughts and feelings, can such even be considered human?
By God's grace,
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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Character involves more than thoughts and feelings. The moral decisions that one makes plays a vital part. If all that determined character were thoughts and feelings, then creatures like cockroaches and beetles have character.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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Infants are born with a character, and a character is composed of traits. Is this character righteous like that of Adam?
Talk about apples and oranges!
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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T:Exactly! The faith of the parents doesn't cover the children in some mystical way, but if they have faith, it's likely they will teach their children correct principles.
R:What do you mean by that? In case a 3-day-old child dies, will it go to heaven because of Christ's sacrifice or because it was taught correct principles? We don't know if the infant will go to heaven or not. If it does, it is because God has determined that the infant would be happy in heaven, and wouldn't rebel. Clearly prenatal influences upon the child would be very important in this case.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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If we are not born with thoughts and feelings, can such even be considered human?
while babies are definitely human their brains are incapable of "thought". thought requires knowing language. knowing language requires a learning process and the right synapses. this happens over time. http://www.educarer.com/brain.htmThe brain is the only body organ incomplete at birth. Within each brain area are millions of neurons (nerve cells) that are connected to each other by synapses. These trillions of synapses and the pathways they form make up the wiring of the brain. The number and organization of these connections influence everything, from the ability to recognize letters to the maintenance of relationships. Neurons develop rapidly before birth. After birth, brain development consists of wiring and rewiring the connections (synapses) between neurons. ( www.iamyourchild.org) New synapses are formed while others are pruned away. Between birth and eight months, the synapses are formed more quickly. There may be 1,000 trillion synapses in the brain at 8 months. babies are barely conscious at birth. as they develop they become more and more conscious, or aware.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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while babies are definitely human their brains are incapable of "thought". thought requires knowing language. knowing language requires a learning process and the right synapses. this happens over time. And you know or believe this lie because? How many people can actually remember their infant days to know? Babies have thoughts. Thoughts do not require language. Language does, however, enhance the range of thoughts/ideas one can have. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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Character involves more than thoughts and feelings. The moral decisions that one makes plays a vital part. If all that determined character were thoughts and feelings, then creatures like cockroaches and beetles have character. ...the thoughts and feelings combined make up the moral character. {RH, April 21, 1885 par. 2}
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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If we are not born with thoughts and feelings, can such even be considered human?
while babies are definitely human their brains are incapable of "thought". thought requires knowing language. knowing language requires a learning process and the right synapses. this happens over time. In such a "thoughtless" condition, can they be filled with the Spirit?
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Jesus' Humanity and Nature on Earth
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while babies are definitely human their brains are incapable of "thought". thought requires knowing language. knowing language requires a learning process and the right synapses. this happens over time. And you know or believe this lie because? How many people can actually remember their infant days to know? Babies have thoughts. Thoughts do not require language. Language does, however, enhance the range of thoughts/ideas one can have. to state that it is a lie you would have to know for a fact that it is a lie and be able to prove it. well you let me know how that goes having a thought without language. my thoughts, personally, are in either english or spanish, depending, but if you are able to have a thought that is not in any language the scientific community might pay you some big bucks to check you out. but, if a baby were born with language and had thoughts they wouldnt be screaming and having to learn words. they would just state what they need. a baby does have feelings and impulses, that was not under dispute. they feel cold, hungry, hot, uncomfortable, pain. but those are feelings. as they develop they learn to put words to those feelings and can start forming thoughts. mostly they act on impulse. see, grab, for instance. but, as i said, if you are able to have thoughts without language, words, you are a scientific anomaly!
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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