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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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But Holy inspired passages say God killed Saul: 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it; And inquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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So, if Saul killed himself, why did God say He killed him?
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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Because God could have intervened in one of countless ways to prevent it. In one way or another God is in control of everything that happens. But God did not intervene when Saul fell on his sword and killed himself. In the case of Elijah, though, when he wanted to die, God intervened. The same can be said of David and others. Nothing occurs in earth or heaven without the knowledge of the Creator. Nothing can happen without His permission. {ML 291.2}
Nothing can be done prosperously without the permission and blessing of God. He can set His hand to prosper and bless, or He can turn His hand against us. {3T 482.2}
The Father's presence encircled Christ, and nothing befell Him but that which infinite love permitted for the blessing of the world. Here was His source of comfort, and it is for us. He who is imbued with the Spirit of Christ abides in Christ. Whatever comes to him comes from the Saviour, who surrounds him with His presence. Nothing can touch him except by the Lord's permission. All our sufferings and sorrows, all our temptations and trials, all our sadness and griefs, all our persecutions and privations, in short, all things work together for our good. All experiences and circumstances are God's workmen whereby good is brought to us. {MH 488.4}
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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Because God could have intervened in one of countless ways to prevent it. In one way or another God is in control of everything that happens. But God did not intervene when Saul fell on his sword and killed himself. In the case of Elijah, though, when he wanted to die, God intervened. The same can be said of David and others. when did elijah try to kill himself, or david and any others?
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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When they wanted to die. Elijah asked God to slay him. "In the desert, in loneliness and discouragement, Elijah had said that he had had enough of life and had prayed that he might die. But the Lord in His mercy had not taken him at his word. {CC 223.2}
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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saul fell on his sword so where did elijah or anyone else actually try to kill themselves?
for me there is a difference between "wanting to die" and attempting to kill oneself.
that makes it hard for me to see what your point might be.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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Re: The Wrath of God,The Wrath of Satan, the The Wrath of Man
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Because God could have intervened in one of countless ways to prevent it. In one way or another God is in control of everything that happens. But God did not intervene when Saul fell on his sword and killed himself. In the case of Elijah, though, when he wanted to die, God intervened. The same can be said of David and others. Would you be saying that God failed to protect Saul? Even as to the reason he was in such situation?
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