Why does this make me think of the obese people who want to lose weight and lose it now, but don't want to change their habits -- like, don't you have a pill or something?

Hi Crater,

Thank you for these good resources - Thrash, McClintock, Nedley are familiar names. My own training is lacking and always needs improvement.

The laws of health are indeed a given to many SDA, and to some in the secular alternative field. And it makes sense that Battle Creek had such success. As we know, these figures speak of temporal achievements, how to save the body, but our focus (all believers) must be on Trust in Divine Power. This defines our mission, or it should. While we may not worship herbal remedies, super foods or fomentations, many gentiles who come to us receive this message and walk away no wiser. They'll credit a treatment, institute or doctor much as they do in hospital medicine.

They may adjust their lifestyle (or not), but seldom see Christ as their Healer and Re-Creator. I think this may be Elle's emphasis. How often does one hear a patient confess their rebellion and thankfully submit to Christ?

Some of the listed herbs are in my cupboard, others in the garden. But if the goodness of God in sustaining life is not appreciated, none will be led to repentance. (Romans 2:4) Repentance figures prominently in Revelation as an indicator of conversion, in essence 'a changed mind'. (Greek #3340)

Certainly conversion can't be imposed (!) on another, rather the laws of health are meant as an opening wedge to show God's infinite love - with this I'm sure we all agree. The end goal is a reconciled soul by God's miraculous grace. Such results are wanting and we must be concerned with the reasons.

All said, your shared knowledge and links are very helpful.
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Since I get referenced in these quotes, Id like to point out that my comment was not made conserning taking responcibility for ones own life but concerning the work methods used at the Kellog sanatorium, including two daily enemas and an unknown number of hot baths each day for each patient.

Wow, who would have thought it would be hinted that I am practicing idolatry, when I shared a little of myself in order to try and get us back on the subject of this forum which is entitled, “swine flu”. Shall we get back to what we were discussing before we got side tracked on smoothies?

As I was thinking of Will (who had been part of the discussion at the time either here or at another spot) and has young children, I thought it important to emphasize hydration (the use of water is one of the 10 Laws of Health, giving attention to one "law" before another, dosen't mean that I consider it of more importance then another, nor that I am leaving God out of it). We came close to losing one of my siblings from dehydration when they were quite young and had the flu. We need to be well hydrate (especially children).

We loose body fluids through the evacuation of urine and feces, through respiration, and through perspiration. Through these methods we eliminate toxins. Water helps to wash the accumulated toxins from our bodies.

Pure water is one of natures healers and should be the beverage of choice. Juicy fruits and veggies that have a high water content are good to include in the diet if the sick one is up to eating. Fruit juice can be over done as it helps the body to cleanse, possibly causing the body to cleanse faster then the body may be able to handle. So fresh vegetable juice which tends to be more building may be preferable, e.g. carrot juice. Pineapple juice with green juice is helpful when respiratory system is involved.

We discussed some fluids such as rooibos and coconut milk. IMO they would be preferable healthier substances for replacing electrolytes rather then what is marketed as sports drinks for electrolyte replacement. Potassium / vegetable broth and barley water are also good and inexpensive source for electrolytes.




I claim no expertice on the subjet of the flu or health, nor am I suggesting anyone follow what I share. Nor do I claim to have shared all there is on the subjet of water and hydration. One should seek health care as they see fit for themselve and their loved ones.

Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
3 John 1:1-3

The flu ---

is not the threat.

Anyone living a fairly healthy lifestyle should manage OK if things are simply left to run their course.

The threat is the vaccination.

Dr. Andrew
"28.) What, in your opinion, caused the 1918 “Spanish” flu pandemic?

Vaccinations – to the United States military personnel being deployed overseas.
Spanish Flu did not kill 20 million. It was the non-specific “M.A.S.S.” immune hypersensitivity response ........

Important point!

dedication thanks for sharing. This is a very interesting interview with Dr. Andrew Moulden: What You Were Never Told About Vaccines. Here are a couple of clips from the interview, just to peak more of an interest!

Actually it is more then interesting. Revolutionary, could be the word?

These claims by Dr. Moulden are both fascinating and believable. On some fronts they harmonize with dietary research - foreign matter impeding circulation, as in free fats & processed fats. I believe EGW wrote that perfect circulation equals perfect health. Am missing the source. Mini or micro strokes can sum to dementia over time.
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About the H1N1 vaccine:

"Some of the vaccine will be stored in multi-dose vials containing thimerosal, an antibacterial additive that contains mercury. But there will also be single-dose syringes without thimerosal, a substance that some assert is harmful to children."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...ST2009072903827