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Re: the great controversy [Re: gordonb1] #120005
10/01/09 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: gordonb1
...That's the first three chapters Green. There may be a one or two exceptions where I see Jesus spelt w/o caps, but the rest of the book seems to follow suit. Also noticed PRINCE, HOLY ONE, JUST.

So, it cannot be said that in the specific paragraph quoted earlier Mrs. White intended to especially emphasize those words which were in all-caps, as this seems to have been merely convention for any reference to the deity. (i.e. Caps were for respect, not for emphasis.)

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: the great controversy [Re: Tom] #120008
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Lucifer didn't even know of the existence of the law when he started his fall.

I don't believe that the law was something which the angels knew nothing about, but something which the angels knew but didn't give much thought to, as obedience to them was natural.

"But in heaven, service is not rendered in the spirit of legality. When Satan rebelled against the law of Jehovah, the thought that there was a law came to the angels almost as an awakening to something unthought of. In their ministry the angels are not as servants, but as sons. There is perfect unity between them and their Creator. Obedience is to them no drudgery. Love for God makes their service a joy." {MB 109.2}

Re: the great controversy [Re: Green Cochoa] #120014
10/01/09 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa

So, it cannot be said that in the specific paragraph quoted earlier Mrs. White intended to especially emphasize those words which were in all-caps, as this seems to have been merely convention for any reference to the deity.


Au contraire Green. It can well be said:

Mrs. White was clear to delineate and identify CHRIST as the SON of GOD prior to creation, as distinct from the FATHER.


"After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the FATHER and SON carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now GOD says to his SON, "Let us make man in our image."



- Spiritual Gifts vol.lll, 33-34. 1864. (Caps in original)
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Re: the great controversy [Re: gordonb1] #120033
10/02/09 12:14 AM
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What difference does it make depending on what view we hold? That is, there are two positions being suggested:

1.The Great Controversy is primarily about the law. God's character is also involved.

2.The Great Controversy is primarily about God (or "God's character"). The law is also an issue.


What's the advantage of 1 or 2? Or vice versa?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: the great controversy [Re: Tom] #120045
10/02/09 09:31 PM
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I don't think that defending one position or the other has any advantage. A person just defends what he/she believes is true. Under my perspective, if there is any advantage in one strategy over another, it is for Satan, for by attacking the law he is at the same time bringing discredit upon the law and upon its Author - in Ellen White's words, he is proving “the law of God faulty, and the Lawgiver fallible.” Instead of killing one bird, he is killing two birds with one stone. Which, for him, is obviously an advantage.
Besides, from the beginning his attacks were directed to God as a Ruler, not as a Father. Is there a better way of undermining God's government than by undermining the legitimacy/integrity/authority of His law?

Re: the great controversy [Re: Rosangela] #120052
10/03/09 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Besides, from the beginning his attacks were directed to God as a Ruler, not as a Father. Is there a better way of undermining God's government than by undermining the legitimacy/integrity/authority of His law?
There's "good" rulers and "bad" rulers. Satan was saying God was a "bad" ruler, so therefore wasn't the issue really about God's character? Doesn't Laws depends on how the ruler(or individual who read them) interpret them and applies them?


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Re: the great controversy [Re: Elle] #120054
10/03/09 01:41 PM
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Tom, the first one above is the truth - and it matters because it is the truth that sets us free.

Re: the great controversy [Re: Mountain Man] #120056
10/03/09 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Tom, the first one above is the truth - and it matters because it is the truth that sets us free.

MM- That's the problem...which is truth? What should we believe? According to you Rosangela's emphasis(Law) is true, but what happen's if Tom's emphasis(God's Character) is?

Originally Posted By: Bible
For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.Jn1:17

But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham...And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not.Jn 8:40,45

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.Jn 14:6

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.Jn 18:37


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Re: the great controversy [Re: Elle] #120059
10/03/09 03:12 PM
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Elle, there are many truths - one of them being that the law is the primary focus of the GC.

Re: the great controversy [Re: Mountain Man] #120063
10/03/09 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Elle, there are many truths - one of them being that the law is the primary focus of the GC.


Mike, the center of the issue is Love, the fulfilling of the Law. (Romans 13:10)

The law is only a letter, a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. (Galations 3:24)

The law is dry like the hills of Gilboa if not fulfilled. Dry, Dry, Dried bones.

If we have only the law and not Christ, we will be lost.

God's Love is being challenged by Satan. This love is in Christ.
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