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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: Daryl]
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10/11/09 05:56 PM
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Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible in regards to the Bible text I posted earlier says:Their deception appeared in their supposing, that if there were a resurrection, men and women were to marry and be given in marriage as in this life; which our Lord shows is not the case: for men and women there shall be like the angels of God, immortal, and free from all human passions, and from those propensities which were to continue with them only during this present state of existence. Perhaps Clarke gets closer. "Free from all human passions..and propensities" But will you remain Daryl and I Gordon? (New names perhaps) Same people yet changed from decayed human bodies to new; without human passions and propensities? I believe so. If we as strangers will remain identifiable, what of your wife of decades, even children? Surely these bonds will not be forgotten? Good topic Daryl. _____
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/11/09 07:07 PM
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Ellen White wrote:
There are men today who express their belief that there will be marriages and births in the new earth, but those who believe the Scriptures cannot accept such doctrines. The doctrine that children will be born in the new earth is not a part of the "sure word of prophecy." The words of Christ are too plain to be misunderstood. They should forever settle the question of marriages and births in the new earth. Neither those who shall be raised from the dead, nor those who shall be translated without seeing death, will marry or be given in marriage. They will be as the angels of God, members of the royal family. {FLB 366.2}
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: Mountain Man]
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10/11/09 07:44 PM
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Ellen White says it all very plainly, however, as she said that "those who believe the Scriptures cannot accept such doctrines, we need to show as clearly from the Scriptures that what she said is the "sure word of prophecy."
Are there, therefore, any other Scriptures that back up Ellen White's statement about this?
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/11/09 08:47 PM
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There were some in the Sabbath School Class who felt that there will be marriage and babies born on the New Earth, not in Heaven during the 1,000 years, but on the New Earth. The following was used by one person to back up that one person's belief, especially verse 8 in reference to a suckling child:Isaiah 11:6 Also the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the cub lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/11/09 11:51 PM
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I view that God created Man and woman to complete each other in a union of marriage to become "One Flesh". This is within Man's and woman's design at creation before the fall. Here some Bible text to consider : And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. (Gen 2:18)
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (Gen 2:24)
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (Mt 19:6)
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth [it], that [men] should fear before him. (Ecc 3:14)
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/12/09 09:50 AM
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It would be incorrect to assume we will be restored to the exact form in which Adam and Eve were created. Did they have wings? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/12/09 11:33 AM
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Before sin, God and Christ created man "in our image, after our likeness." (Gen. 1:26)
But the man contained male & female. Eve was "called Woman, because she was taken out of Man". (Gen 2:23)
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Gen 1:27)
There was no conception recorded before the fall of man - No record that sexual union existed before the fall. Only the command to "Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth" (Gen. 1:28) Multiplication could have been achieved differently before the fall.
Conception is only described after the fall, and this in connection with sorrow. "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children" (Gen. 3:16) _____
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/12/09 11:54 AM
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Before the fall, Adam and Eve were in harmony with God and Christ. All their actions were open, nothing hid. They worked in cooperation with God's will. This would have included the blessing to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth" (Gen 1:28).
But this blessing was not fulfilled in the unfallen era when they were "both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." (Gen 2:25) Rebellion entered their lives "and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself." (Gen 3:10).
Instead of multiplying in God's presence, without shame or knowledge of their nakedness, they were driven out of the Garden where "Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived" (Gen 4:1). _______
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/12/09 12:19 PM
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It would be incorrect to assume we will be restored to the exact form in which Adam and Eve were created. Did they have wings? Blessings, Green Cochoa. Why do you believe translated humans will have wings? Did Jesus have wings when he was resurrected? Paul says we will have bodies such as His in our translation, but says nothing about Jesus having been anatomically different from before His death. Mary did not mistake Jesus for an angel at the grave, she mistook Him for the gardener. Further, why would we not be translated to the form Adam and Eve had after creation? God said that the world He had made was good. Are you now saying that it was not good enough but need improvements for the second try?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/12/09 12:25 PM
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Matthew 22:30 is very clear: "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven." Folks, what is the basis for saying that human beings will neither marry nor be given in marriage for a thousand years, but after this they will resume marrying? What is the basis for saying that they will be like the angels in heaven but will cease to be like the angels in the new earth? Some can quote Isaiah to "prove" that there will be marriage and births in the new earth; I can also quote Isaiah to "prove" that there will be sin and death in the new earth. As Ellen White says, Christ's words are too plain to be misunderstood.
As an aside, Ellen White gives us additional light about this:
By the power of His love, through obedience, fallen man, a worm of the dust, is to be transformed, fitted to be a member of the heavenly family, a companion through eternal ages of God and Christ and the holy angels. Heaven will triumph, for the vacancies made by the fall of Satan and his host will be filled by the redeemed of the Lord.--UL 61. {TA 287.1}
God created man for His own glory, that after test and trial the human family might become one with the heavenly family. It was God's purpose to repopulate heaven with the human family, if they would show themselves obedient to His every word. Adam was to be tested, to see whether he would be obedient, as the loyal angels, or disobedient.--1BC 1082. {TA 287.2}
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