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Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/11/09 12:26 PM
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In our Sabbath School class discussion under the section on Maritial Fidelity, an interesting thought was presented, which is that even after the Fall the Sabbath is eternal, whereas marriage ended at the death of one of the spouses.
Will marriage be re-instituted on the New Earth at the end of the 1,000 years in heaven, or will marriage end forever at the death of one of the spouses, or, upon being translated at the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ?
A related question is will there be babies and/or children on the New Earth after our being in heaven for 1,000 years?
Does both the Bible and the writings of EGW have anything to say about this?
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: Daryl]
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10/11/09 01:51 PM
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And will new families be started in those days or will we be so heavenly minded that this very fundamental aspect of what makes us humans will no longer be of any consequence for us?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: vastergotland]
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10/11/09 02:06 PM
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Let me share with you my understanding, which is that the institution of marriage will end at the resurrection and translation of the redeemed at the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ.
My understanding of this is based on the fact that marriage is only until death do us part, which was an obvious change as a result of the Fall, not to mention the entrance of divorce, again as a result of sin.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: Daryl]
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10/11/09 04:12 PM
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Let me share with you my understanding, which is that the institution of marriage will end at the resurrection and translation of the redeemed at the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ.
My understanding of this is based on the fact that marriage is only until death do us part, which was an obvious change as a result of the Fall, not to mention the entrance of divorce, again as a result of sin. Daryl, These are good food for thought. But 'marriage' was the divine plan, before sin. "Till death do us part" was never part of God's original plan. Death was not a consideration. So I am not following your logic: • The Sabbath was before sin and thus will be fully restored. • Marriage ('man & wife') was before sin, but it will not be restored? _______
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/11/09 04:24 PM
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I agree that it was never a part of God's original plan, but was what God added as a result of sin that led to the first death for nearly all of us and what will lead to the second death for the lost, which is why my understanding is that marriage, as we know it now under that name, will not be restored.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: Daryl]
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10/11/09 04:31 PM
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How do you understand the following, especially verses 29 and 30? Matthew 22:24 saying, Master, Moses said, If a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up seed to his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brothers. And the first, when he had married a wife, died. And, having no issue, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The second also did likewise, and the third, to the seventh. 27 And last of all the woman also died. 28 Therefore in the resurrection, whose wife shall she be, of the seven? For they all had her. 29 Jesus answered and said to them, You err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: Daryl]
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10/11/09 05:08 PM
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marriage, as we know it now under that name, will not be restored. Ok Daryl, 'marriage in the fallen time' will not be restored - i.e that type of marriage that ends with death. But the union of Adam & Eve was in a different setting - completely apart from sin and death. The 'earth made new' is a restoration of God's Plan, perhaps better. But the Sabbath will be fully restored and so why not man & wife? I am only following the logic you presented. However it's possible this logic is bettered by the scripture record. ______
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: gordonb1]
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10/11/09 05:17 PM
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Adam and Eve also died, therefore, their marriage to each other ended when one of them died.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/11/09 05:23 PM
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Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible in regards to the Bible text I posted earlier says:Their deception appeared in their supposing, that if there were a resurrection, men and women were to marry and be given in marriage as in this life; which our Lord shows is not the case: for men and women there shall be like the angels of God, immortal, and free from all human passions, and from those propensities which were to continue with them only during this present state of existence.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/11/09 05:39 PM
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Daryl, the quotation from Matthew 22: 24-30 is a good place to start. These (and similar words) have been a question for many. I've not studied this matter closely, but could you share the thoughts of the Sabbath school?
If we apply human (fallible) logic, 50 earthly years cultivating trust and love with a spouse during our eternal-character-preparation would not be easily forgotten or dismissed. Some couples will endure the "time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation". (Daniel 12:1) Certainly we will know our friends, Peter will recognize Paul, EGW saw brothers Fitch & Stockman, etc.
Since the marriage of man & wife typifies the relation of Groom to Bride, a witness for the universe, does it not remain a stronger monument? ____
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