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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
[Re: Mountain Man]
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10/15/09 06:18 AM
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Thomas, is it possible to read both parts literally? I'm just thinking out loud, but it seems to me the patriarchs are literally alive
The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later.
Does this help you see the conflict I mentioned?
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/15/09 03:03 PM
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I'm not seeing it. You might have to spell it out a little more clearly. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/15/09 07:12 PM
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It's obvious to me that sex and procreation for animals, and at least procreation (but probably sex also) for human beings, would have been a temporary thing, even if sin wouldn't have existed. God told Adam and Eve: "Be fruitful, and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it" (Gen. 1:28). Obviously once the earth was full procreation would stop. Without death, this wouldn't have taken very long.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/15/09 07:23 PM
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Is God only able to manage sustenance for a limited number of humans?
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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I'm not speaking of maintenance, but of space, Vaster. Millions of people (and animals) crammed together in tight spaces.
The original earth wasn't going to be overpopulated, and the New Earth won't be, either.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/15/09 07:46 PM
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The size of the universe shows that God is not afraid of creating more space.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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We are not speaking about the universe, but about the earth, which is a specific planet with a specific size. God commanded them to fill the earth, not the universe. So He was planning for a specific number of human beings to exist.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/15/09 09:34 PM
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Can we speculate, then, on how many people and animals will be resurrected based on the limited amount of space available on Earth? I doubt it. I suspect our galaxy is included in the "fill the earth" command. Our borders include the distant stars created on the fourth day.
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/15/09 11:50 PM
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No, we can't speculate, especially on animals resurrected, for there is no support for this in inspiration.
Ellen White says God planned to repopulate heaven with human beings. Whether Thomas accepts this or not, the fact is that God is a God of order and He Himself chose the planet man would inhabit. The size of this planet indicates that God designed a given number of human beings to exist in His universe. The same is true for other beings in their respective planets.
Well, God Himself will inhabit here in this planet with His redeemed creatures. This is His promise to us. Would you like to live in another planet?
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Re: Two Institutions of Creation - The Sabbath and Marriage
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10/16/09 05:13 AM
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You say "repopulate heaven", so it would be of interest to know how many were lost from the original number.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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