i dont understand your question and i dont understand its relation to the statement you quoted. could you elaborate more?

t: but i learned, accidently by experience, that our God delivers us from all desire for each and every sin, that there is no more desire, no more struggle.

M: When does this become a reality for people?

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t: the temptation comes on occasion but it is so mild as to be almost inconsequential.

M: Is this true of all temptations? If so, when does it become a reality for people?

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t: actually i would have to say another "voice pops up and tells it to go away".

M: What is this voice? And, how does it tell temptation to go away?

MM.

There is no two groups as you describe.

There is only one group, the sons of God, those who believe in Christ and led by the Spirit. They are all justified people who go through the sanctification proccess.

Some of them maybe has reach the sinless perfect life condition that you meant, some of them not yet, which means they still sins from time to time. But it doesn't mean they are living by the flesh.

Is there any limitation to state that a believer has reach the condition of perfect sinless life in connection with time? One day? one week? One month? One year? 5 years? 10 years? 30 years? A life time long? To be FIT for heaven?

If the thieff on the cross have none, would there be a difference with the others?

The condition of to be fit for heaven, to enter it and live eternally, is the man is justified for his faith, nothing else. He was saved by the grace of God through faith. Not that because he has lived a sinless perfect life for how long, no body knew the time limit.

In His love

Thanks for seeing my point. I fully agree with you also.

In his love

Do you see a difference between our "title to heaven" and our "fitness for heaven"? Or, do you view them as synonymous?

Righteousness within is testified to by righteousness without. He who is righteous within is not hard-hearted and unsympathetic, but day by day he grows into the image of Christ, going on from strength to strength. He who is being sanctified by the truth will be self-controlled, and will follow in the footsteps of Christ until grace is lost in glory. The righteousness by which we are justified is imputed; the righteousness by which we are sanctified is imparted. The first is our title to heaven, the second is our fitness for heaven.--Review and Herald, June 4, 1895. {MYP 35.2}

One is your TICKET
the other is your PASSPORT

The ticket is paid for -- offered freely to all who accept Christ.
Now when we travel to another country, the ticket is essential without it we can't board the plane.
But we also need a passport.
What does a passport prove?

It shows our citizenship.

Whose kingdom do we belong to? Are we following King Jesus Christ, do " we walk in the light, as he is in the light," (see 1 John 1:7) or are we following the prince of darkness "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (see Eph.2:2)

Romans 6:16 Don't you know, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

I like it! The passport reflects age (maturity). Everyone's passport is different. But not so with the ticket. The tickets are all the same. No first class versus coach. Everyone gets to go first class. Hooray!

The idea that perfection is attained after years of becoming less and less sinful is unbiblical. When people experience genuine rebirth in God's appointed way they begin perfect (complete). They are born again with all the righteous fruits and attributes of God's character. They begin at rebirth where Jesus began at birth. And then they go on unto perfection. They become perfect (mature) as they grow in grace and mature in the fruits of the Spirit. This process of progress goes on for eternity. They become more and more mature in the fruits of Spirit.

Do you see a difference between our "title to heaven" and our "fitness for heaven"? Or, do you view them as synonymous?

Righteousness within is testified to by righteousness without. He who is righteous within is not hard-hearted and unsympathetic, but day by day he grows into the image of Christ, going on from strength to strength. He who is being sanctified by the truth will be self-controlled, and will follow in the footsteps of Christ until grace is lost in glory. The righteousness by which we are justified is imputed; the righteousness by which we are sanctified is imparted. The first is our title to heaven, the second is our fitness for heaven.--Review and Herald, June 4, 1895. {MYP 35.2} [/quote]

The one whom God justified for his faith, is a just and righteous person, he has peace with God. Which mean, he has a new heart, a new mind and a new life. This justification is suitable to open the gate of heaven for him. Whether in the later days he falls from time to time in sin, but as long as he kept the faith, he still would be a just and righteous person, cause God would justified him for his faith. isn't it? Anyway, we are all saved by the grace of God through faith, right? Whether by faith you may have sinless daily life r not, your salvation is assured.

The point is: to keep the faith, the flesh may be weak but God's grace would forgives all sins committed due to having this sinful body.

So, where is the main difference of our title to heaven and our ticket to heaven?

I don't agree at all if you said, just having the title of heaven could not made some one pass the gate of heaven.

In His love

James, like a shooting star you show up out of nowhere. Nice to see you again. Hope all is well with your soul and the soul's of your loved ones.

Above you wrote, "Whether by faith you may have sinless daily life or not, your salvation is assured." I'm sorry to say it, but I think this conclusion is terribly wrong. Jesus will save no one in their sins. He saves us from our past sins AND from present temptations. Perfection is automatic in AND through Christ.

Our salvation is based on what Jesus does for us AND through us. The sinlessness Adam and Eve enjoyed before they ate the forbidden fruit is available to us now in AND through Christ. What Jesus does for us is our "title" to heaven AND what He does through us is our "fitness" for heaven. Both are inevitable in AND through Christ. Both are required to enter the gates of heaven.