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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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12/14/09 10:46 PM
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Who is "we"? I can think of a bunch of things. That Christ took sinful flesh is one, and there are a number of things that follow just from that. That Christ's death actually accomplished something for every human being, regardless of whether they accept Him or not is not something I hear being preached. Waggoner's teaching on the covenants I don't hear, except from people who have studied Waggoner. I've *never* heard this.
I suppose that's enough of a list to start with.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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12/15/09 03:28 AM
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Ellen White clearly taught the truths you named above. That counts for "we".
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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12/15/09 07:05 PM
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You're saying by "we" you meant "Ellen White"? That's very confusing. Before you were quoting from a website, things not from Ellen White.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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12/16/09 04:29 PM
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I wrote, "Tom, I cannot think of anything J&W wrote with the stamp of God's approval that we are not preaching today." People who preach what she wrote are preaching the things you listed above. Can you think of anything J&W wrote that "we" aren't preaching today? And, do you think it accounts for why Jesus hasn't returned yet?
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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11/30/10 04:08 AM
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Dedication, is there any evidence to suggest Ellen warned us not to read "The Glad Tidings"? 1901 Battle Creek General Conference Waggonner preached a series of sermons. Ellen White writes: " During the General Conference of 1901 the Lord warned me against sentiments that were then held by Brethren Prescott and Waggoner. These sentiments have been as leaven put into meal. Many minds have received them. The ideas of some regarding a great experience supposed to be sanctification have been the alpha of a train of deception. Because of some overdrawn expressions frequently used by Brother E. J. Waggoner at the conference, I was led to speak words intended to counteract their influence. If ever there was a time when our brethren should blend in unity it is now. You are engaged in an important work in Washington. I am very anxious that the work in that place shall be carried forward exactly as the Lord would have it. But Satan is surely presenting some false theories which you must not receive. Elders Waggoner and Prescott are out of the way.--Letter 269, 1903, pp. 1, 2 (Dec. 14, 1903)
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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11/30/10 04:21 AM
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On the other hand, she wrote:
" I am much pleased to learn that Professor [W. W.] Prescott is giving the same lessons in his class to the students that Brother [E. J.] Waggoner has been giving. He is presenting the covenants. John thinks it is presented in a clear and convincing manner. {9MR 329.2} Since I made the statement last Sabbath that the view of the covenants as it had been taught by Brother Waggoner was truth, it seems that great relief has come to many minds.--Letter 30, 1890, p. 2. (To W. C. White and wife, March 10, 1890.) {9MR 329.3}
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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So which is presented in the book "Glad Tidings"?
The truth presented in 1890, or the strange sentiments of 1901 (where both Prescott and Waggonner had wandered in the intervening 11 years)
"Glad Tidings" was published in 1900.
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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11/30/10 09:48 AM
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"dedication", i think tragic events (time of trouble such as never was) in Zimbabwe, Rwanda and Burma, mean Jesus can come right now, as of tonight. i will look for my copy of "Glad Tidings," as you mention this book.
Last edited by johannes; 11/30/10 09:55 AM. Reason: punctuation error
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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11/30/10 04:12 PM
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Dedication, the only thing that alarmed me in Glad Tidings was the inference the Son of God isn't as eternal as the Father, that He had a beginning sometime long ago. Are you aware of anything else?
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Re: Do current conditions suggest Jesus' arrival is more likely than before?
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11/30/10 04:18 PM
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Johannes, why do you believe trouble in the world indicates Jesus could return today? What would fulfill the prophecies relating to the mark of beast if Jesus returned today?
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