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Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come #122074
12/06/09 09:32 AM
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Alright,.... let's give me the best text proof from the bible that proves Sabbath still exist and is still valid to be observe till Jesus come.

One person, one text please. And don't post what was already posted, no repetition.

May be some thing new may comes up, that is valuable in my personal ministry.

In His love

Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: James Saptenno] #122075
12/06/09 12:17 PM
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James, the following is a single passage, but it spans several verse numbers. The verse in bold is the clearest summary of the whole, but I am providing the entire passage for context.

Originally Posted By: "The Holy Bible"
EXODUS
31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


This single passage refers to the Sabbath as being a "perpetual covenant," to be kept "for ever," "throughout your generations." It concludes by telling us that God wrote this commandment Himself, with His own finger, into tables of stone. Stone represents something enduring and unchanging.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: Green Cochoa] #122084
12/07/09 02:19 AM
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The text you give is not good enough to be presented to non SDA's people.

They may say that the Sabbath is designated ONLY for the Jews/Israel and for them alone forever.

Any better text?

In His love

Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: James Saptenno] #122086
12/07/09 10:29 AM
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James,

You said "One person, one text please." So I guess I've already given mine. However, you are right. Many people do indeed try to claim that the Sabbath was only for the Jews.

To answer this question, allow me to point out that God's people are all a part of "Israel." The term "Israel" encompasses all of God's people, and in fact, those who are not part of spiritual Israel will not be in the Kingdom.

In Revelation, John speaks of the last-day people who are to be sealed.
Originally Posted By: The Bible
REVELATION
7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


This passage is speaking of all of God's servants throughout the earth who receive the seal of God in their foreheads. Notice how they are all numbered among the tribes of Israel.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: Green Cochoa] #122088
12/07/09 04:19 PM
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I don't know about this being the "best" one, but here's one:

Quote:
4And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Matt. 24)


This says to pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath, just before Christ comes again. If you're studying with people who believe in the Secret Rapture, they'll explain this away by saying this is speaking of the Jews during the 7 year period in between the Secret Rapture and Christs' visible Second Coming, but otherwise it should work well.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: Green Cochoa] #122092
12/07/09 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
To answer this question, allow me to point out that God's people are all a part of "Israel." The term "Israel" encompasses all of God's people, and in fact, those who are not part of spiritual Israel will not be in the Kingdom.

If it's OK to add another verse, this one is perfect to answer that objection:
Quote:
Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Anyone who says they are not Abraham's seed also says that they are not Christ's. If that's the case, then God's commands have no meaning to them.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: Tom] #122102
12/08/09 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: Tom
I don't know about this being the "best" one, but here's one:

Quote:
4And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Matt. 24)


This says to pray that your flight not be on the Sabbath, just before Christ comes again. If you're studying with people who believe in the Secret Rapture, they'll explain this away by saying this is speaking of the Jews during the 7 year period in between the Secret Rapture and Christs' visible Second Coming, but otherwise it should work well.


This text is one of my favorite and the strongest evidence in the New testament that Sabbath still exist and valid till Jesus come (again). it is hard to reject the idea.

Any other?

In His love

Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: Green Cochoa] #122103
12/08/09 08:46 AM
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James Saptenno  Offline OP
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
James,

You said "One person, one text please." So I guess I've already given mine. However, you are right. Many people do indeed try to claim that the Sabbath was only for the Jews.

To answer this question, allow me to point out that God's people are all a part of "Israel." The term "Israel" encompasses all of God's people, and in fact, those who are not part of spiritual Israel will not be in the Kingdom.

In Revelation, John speaks of the last-day people who are to be sealed.
Originally Posted By: The Bible
REVELATION
7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


This passage is speaking of all of God's servants throughout the earth who receive the seal of God in their foreheads. Notice how they are all numbered among the tribes of Israel.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


OK, this is a combine passage that gives meaning of the validity of the Sabbath, but the 1st one is literal Jews, abd the later one is for spiritual Jew. is there any hole in this presentation that can be rejected? I will study it further.

In His love

Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: asygo] #122104
12/08/09 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: asygo
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
To answer this question, allow me to point out that God's people are all a part of "Israel." The term "Israel" encompasses all of God's people, and in fact, those who are not part of spiritual Israel will not be in the Kingdom.

If it's OK to add another verse, this one is perfect to answer that objection:
Quote:
Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Anyone who says they are not Abraham's seed also says that they are not Christ's. If that's the case, then God's commands have no meaning to them.


OK, this combination of passage is a better one. Never comes to my thinking. But will study further if there is any weakness in this presentation.

In His love

Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come [Re: James Saptenno] #122105
12/08/09 08:50 AM
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James Saptenno  Offline OP
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So far so good.... but I want to hear more....

Any more inputs of your favorite text (if possible no combine passages).

In His love

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