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Cosmology is one of my pet hobbies, so I hope you will indulge my exploration of this topic.


Can you explain this bit here?

Consider two points, A and B, that are separated by an initial distance, D (say, 10^7 light years). The distance between points A and B is increasing due to Hubble expansion. I am an observer at point O, which is along the path a photon would take from A to B, and equidistant to both (i.e. initially 5 x 10^6 light years from both).

If I observe a photon leaving A headed to point B, would it reach me at point O before D/(2c) has elapsed? Would I see it reach point B before D/c has elapsed?

Let's say I am at point P, which is also equidistant to A and B, but is not along the path of the photon, but at a point perpendicular to that path and sufficiently far away such that the photon's complete path can be considered perpendicular to me (imagine a very long isosceles triangle). Would I measure the time it takes the photon to get from A to B as less than D/c?

I hope I'm making sense. I'm trying to get an idea of what you mean by light being accelerated.


Does FF predict a greater expansion rate than the Big Bang even today, or only during the early stages of expansion? After the universe reaches a certain radius, wouldn't the effects of quantum gravity become negligible? (The TOE is also one of my pet hobbies.)


Does such FTL travel encompass the scenario I described above? Can expansion cause light to get from point A to B in less than D/c time?


This gets at my epistemological concern. One could say that God put the sun there and made it look much older than it really is. But one could refute that by saying that our idea of the age of the sun is based on faulty theories.

The same goes for God creating streams of light from distant stars such that they get here sooner than expected. You say that can't happen because there would be information in the photons about events that did not take place (I suppose that would be things such as the composition of the star that generated the photon, etc). But one could argue that our theories of what information the photon carries might be faulty. And as you know, it is impossible to prove a scientific theory; one can only disprove them.


I see that Daryl has taught you how to do that.

If I may ask.... What degree are you working toward? PhD? Also, what university are you attending?

I read your post late last night, asygo, after finishing a late game of StarCraft (probably not the best thing for an SDA to be doing). It'll take me a little bit of time to answer your questions. I still need to follow up with futher proofs for FF for GC.

Oh my! Lots of questions here. I'm going to go ahead and summarize asygo's questions in an over simplified manner and then try to answer them.

(1) How does FF work with GR?

(2) Why would Hubble expansion effect light's resultant speed and why?

(3) Question #1a: Would light reach O before D/2c?

(4) Question #1b: Would light reach B before D/c?

(5) Question #2: Would the observer see light reach B before D/c?

(6) Define FF's meaning of light acceleration.

(7) What are the quantum grav. effects of the expanding universe on light?

(8) What is FF's model for expansion rate?

(9) Is there a horizion for quantum gravitation?

(10) TOE theory and FF

(11) Does FTL encompass Qns 1 & 2?

(12) Can expansion cause light to travel outside of time?

(13) Problem with stellar knowledge

(14) Explaining my educational aspirations

(1.) I started FF based off of Max Morriss's work "Simply Relativity V2". SR charts a bell curve with x = rate of time and y = mass distance. SR makes the claim that rate of time slows with distance, or inversely that minimal space has an accelerated time rate. This system successfully splices GR with QM but lacks information on an actual ratio.

God inspired me to find this ratio in several places in scripture and discovered that Ellen White made referance to all of them in one sentence in her first vision in referance to light from Heaven. All of that doesn't prove anything. I've spent many years now trying to debunk this equation and as a result the model simply expanded on it's self with supplemental evidences and predictions.

Sorry, I lost my focus. The First Flash model represents reality in 8 dimensions. (cyclical space = 3D, cyclical time = 1D, curved space = 3D, curved time = 1D)To fully represent this model would require an 8D graph. I can't visualise something like that. However, if I colapse 3D space into one dimension, I'm left with only 4 axes. This generates 6 interactive 2D grids. (s by t, s by cs, s by ct, t by cs, t by ct, cs by ct) According to the model, there is a bell curve function on all six graphs. When I saw this I thought that this system couldn't jive with GR but later discovered that it actually supports it. Here are the six points:

(time : space) The ratio of time changes with distance. (energy density)

(space : curvature) Increased distance reduces curvature.

(time : rotation) Rate of time slows with acceleration.

(space : rotation) Length decreases with acceleration.

(curvature : rotation) Gravitational attraction (curvature) opposes centrifugal force. (angular momentum)

(time : curvature) Time delation caused by gravitation. (curvature)

The First Flash model is an extremely powerful equation. I just wish I wasn't the only one in the world that understood it.

(2)As the universe expands photon wavelengths stretch. (cosmological redshift) The resultant change in lights effective speed is caused by the dynamic of combining what is known about light in matter c=sqrt(E/M)and expanded light caused from expansion. If light is expanded in all directions it has volume. Light in volume has time-space curvature or gravitation. Gravitational acceleration multiplies speed by curved time. Multiply the speed of light by gravitation you get photogravitics.

(3-5) The answer to all three questions is no. If light traveled in such manner we could never see it. At the very best, light originating from creation travels at the exact same rate as the light horizon. Anything beyond the light horizon isn't visible.

(6) (Space divided by time) times (curved space divided by curved time) results as resultant space divided by resultant time. This causes a change in light's overall speed. Any change is acceleration. However, the speed that light travels in and of itself never changes.

(7)
The effects of quantum gravity are carried along with expanded light but I do believe that effect would cease beyond the light horizon.

(8) According to FF, the rate of expansion started at the speed of light. Today, it would be something like 13,738,959,030 resultant light years distance in 6133.1248 curved years time. It's alot more than what current BB theorists propose.

(9)I think I kinda covered this point in (7)

(10) I've actualy been working on a TOE theory founded on the FF model. It's an extensive topic that is still in progress so I'm going to leave it at that for now.

(11) Yes and no. I think my answers for Qns 3-5 cover the topic.

(12) Expansion isn't accelerating visible light faster than the expanding universe.

(13) On the issue of stars age, perhaps I should study into it more.

(14) There are only two forms of degrees in theoretical physics that I know of, MA and Phd. Considering a Doctoral requires a written publishable thesis, and that the student completes their own original research as well as a complete a course of study, I'm prefering toward a Masters degree. At present, I still need a Batchlers in Physics with a minor in advanced mathmatics. This Email kinda explains my situation:

This is just a self reminder of points I promised to cover. I've already dealt with "Simply Relativity" so that just leaves universal inertia and Frame Dragging. Subjects like Godel's universe, Kerr-Newman geometry, naked singularities, and "gray holes" are far too advanced for this forum (and mathmaticly very difficult for me to fully tackle without futhering my education.)

Luckily, I found some info I already worked out on an old email. Here's the excerpt:

Green Cochoa stated:



Refer to Ezekiel chapter 1 and chapter 10. These messages are encrypted symbolicly for good reason. If you lack the spiritual gift of discernment, you will not be able to decrypt these passages. If a person who is under Satan's influence hears the truth of Biblical passages, evil angels will work rapidly to twist the truth with falsehood or to simply deny it completely.

Due to the fact that Satan and his legions of fallen angels are waging a spiritual war of principalities and powers in opposition to the Creator of all, God must relay important knowledge to the remnant via encripted channels (prophetic symbolism). If God failed to do this with all information relaying knowledge to key future events, the armies of darkness would intercept and discern such knowledge and use it for evil. Satan uses the most advanced forms of counter intellegence in order to shield the Earth of God's light of truth. The lord of deception poisons all truth by adding slight amounts of falsehood. Those who taste of his corrupted fruit become corrupted themselves. Those who discover the deception without relying on the guidance of the Holy Spirit, also become deceived to adopt extemist beliefs. The path of salvation is narrow. Deviate slightly in any direction and your off the path. There is also the lukewarm, the ones who don't want to rock the boat and compromise to all that is wrong. These well planned lies work as a two edged sword, hacking any soul to spiritual threads that lacks faith in God for truth in all things. Only this fine line of truth in obedience to God habors a safe pathway amidst a mine field of spiritual death. Those who follow this rare path are deeply hated by anyone else not on it themseleves. This is God's two edged sword of truth. It is the only spiritual thing we can rely on that cannot be severed by Satan's deadly arsenal.

Can you point out specifically where in those chapters God talks about curved/cyclical space? Thanks.

I should provide some context on how I came about finding this. I've been trying to discover if there is actual physics related to the Sabbath. Scripture warns of disaster and utter ruin for those who fail to observe it. It even seems apparent that Joshua used cycles related to the Sabbath (at God's command) to destroy Jericho. Digging through my mathmatics dictionary I discovered that rest cycles exist in pendulums as they move in simple harmonic motion. This brought to my mind Kepler's third law and the motion of the planets. It also brought to my attention what Ellen White said about all creation circling God's throne. If our universe is indeed orbiting Heaven, and the Sabbath is the rest cycle of its simple harmonic motion, then our universe orbits the creator every 14 days (there are two rest cycles per orbit.) All of that being said, I felt inspired to study Ezekiel in the hope of finding any new insight relating to God's throne. Here's were I found what I'm talking about.

Ezekiel 1:25 "Then there came a voice from above the expanse over their heads was what looked like a throne of sapphire and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man."

The throne of sapphire is the throne of God. God's throne is Heaven. Heaven is a universe. Our universe orbits the throne of God. Ezekiel isn't talking about space craft or UFOs, he has been given a vision of heavenly mechanisms invisible to man. Digging deeper, chapter one describes four creatures with four wheels. (All of this is symbolic.) These creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning. These creatures are seen above the Earth. 1:25 "Then there was a voice from above the expanse over their heads as they stood with lowered wings." Verse 22 discribes the expanse: "Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked like an expanse, sparkling like ice, and awesome." This is the "sea of glass". If our universe cycles around Heaven, what expanse exists between Earth and Heaven? The Light Horizon. If that is the case, then what are these four interconnected creatures with wheels (residing between Earth and the Light Horizon)? They have properties of rapid flight (wings), they have properties of angular motion (wheels), they behave like light (flashes of lightning). The list goes on and on and on. If someone can't see the relationship (even when its been decrypted and spelled out) they never will.