Again it appears that you base "love" on human interpretation.
Whatever you want others to do to you is the criterion for "love"? That makes you the definer of "love"?

Yes, the text is in scripture, but it was never meant to replace God's law.

Without God's commandments a person makes their own mind and heart a "heaven center" and the source of knowledge as to what is "love"? Cause if one gets rid of God's commands, they aren't setting their mind on the things of God, but on our own imaginations of what one thinks God should be like.


Very shaky and dangerous ground.

No, my friend God is the definer of love -- and His Word and His law defines love.
Divine love is not defined by humans who think they have a "god center" within their minds that defines love according to what they think love is.

All one has to do is read some of the new age stuff and all their lofty ideas of love, unity and peace, and one should understand how Satan seeks to cause people to look to their own "higher self" for the true expression of love quite apart from God's law.

True Christianity is always distrustful of self realizing the "heart is deceitful" , and looks to God and seeks His will which is revealed in His Word and Commands.

Satan's insinuation to the angel's in heaven was exactly what is now being promoted (scary thought). "He began to insinuate doubts concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that angels needed no such restraint, for their own wisdom was a sufficient guide. They were not beings that could bring dishonor to God; all their thoughts were holy, so why did they need a commander?"

Ez. 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:...I will destroy thee, O covering cherub."


They fell because they believed they knew how to love and didn't need anyone ruling over them, defining love for them.

The same concept was Korah's downfall.
He and his followers rebelled against Moses and Aaron,
Lev. 16:3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?

Yet, God didn't agree with Korah....

It's the same argument we hear today --
God is with us, we are holy, we don't need any commandments, or anyone telling us to keep God's commandments.

That is walking on DANGEROUS GROUND!

I'm curious as to your insistance that God's law shouldn't be kept anymore -- the idea that its done away with --
Which commandment do you want to break? Which commandment do you find "unloving" in your concept of what "heavenly love" is?

A note to all involved in this discussion:

Let's be patient with each other here.

James, in saying that Christ ended the law, that it was nailed to the cross, is not sharing anything unusual. To help those of you who do not live in an Asian country understand this, please allow me to point out that the only Bibles I am aware of in the Asian languages (with the exceptions of Burmese and possibly Tagalog, which were translated less recently), are translated from the corrupt Alexandrian line of Bibles. The Alexandrian text does indeed declare that the entire law of God was nailed to the cross and abolished.

In other words, unless James uses an English-language King James Bible, there is no other conclusion that he would be able to make than that the entire law was abolished at the cross.

James, I have sympathy for you. The Bible you read is mostly likely teaching error on this point. I know for a fact that the Chinese Bible, the Thai Bible, and the Korean Bible all have errors like this. I wish more missionaries would devote themselves to the work of translation, so that people like yourself could have the opportunity to read pure truth.

Dedication, here are the texts that I suspect James has been reading:



The modern Bibles all follow this same theology--that the law has been entirely abolished. Only when one looks to the older, less-corrupted translations, can the real truth be found in these verses.

James, as Dedication and I know from a study of the King James, which was translated from the Majority Text (called this because it represents over 90% of the ancient Bible manuscripts), the law was not abolished at the cross. The sacrifices were abolished. The sacrificial system, also sometimes referred to as the ceremonial system, this is what was abolished. The rules for the sacrifices were usually referred to as "ordinances" to help distinguish them from the law of the Ten Commandments. In the King James Version, this distinction is made clear.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Thanks for your advice brother. Indeed, that is exactly what Christians here in Indonesia think of the law, as what you have thought.

Therefore, a solid and biblical counter must be given, not just another idea.

In His love

What commandment do you think in my concept of "heavenly love" that is against the "love code?" You must answer it, not me, because I have no problem with God or my fellowmen.

In His love

No -- I've already explained several of those texts -- God's law was not nailed to the cross. Our SINS, which Christ bore as He was nailed to the cross, were nailed to the cross, not that which defines sin.

Why should I answer as to why you urge the idea that God's law is no longer in operation? It wasn't me that wrote that love needs no definition. It wasn't me that wrote that God's commandments are done away with along with the sacrificial and ceremonial laws?

The only conclusion I can see is that there is something in God's law that you want to out of your life? Why else would someone want to do away with God's commandments?

Actually I know what it is that makes the Christian world start talking about nailing God's commandments to cross -- it's the Sabbath.

Christians are all eager to post the ten commandments in public places and even have a national commandment day -- but start talking to them about the Sabbath and suddenly the commandments are said to be a Yoke that we need not wear anymore because they are nailed to the cross --

I find this to be very contradictory.

What did exist in Eden before sin? The love code and Sabbath.

What remains now after the cross for Christ believers? The love code and the Sabbath.

What would be there in the new world? The love code and the Sabbath.

I have no problem with the Sabbath.

In His love

I'm glad to see you understand the Sabbath is part of loving God with all our hearts.

But I still don't understand why you would present posts saying God's ten commandments are gone-- not needed?
Obviously each and every one of them sets standards to keep love on track.

1. If we love God with all our hearts, we won't place any other God's before Him.

2. If we love God with all our hearts, we won't use created objects upon which to lavish our worship.

3. If we love God with all our hearts and minds, we will reverance His name and seek to glorify His name in our speech and conduct.

4. If we love God with all our hearts and minds, we will look forward to the 7th day which is SPECIAL time when we can forget about all our daily work (which we are to do in the six days) and spend the time with Him.

5. If we truly love others, we will especially seek to honor and care for those who raised us. Honor our parents.

6. If we truly love others as God loves us, we will not hate them or kill them, either in actuality or in meanness or oppression. Wrath, strife, violence will not be part of our character

7. If we truly love our spouses our marriage commitment will be a decision of love that we will not tarnish with impurities and unfaithfulness.

8. If we really love others, we will never steal from them, but rather share our goods with them.

9. Love will not bear false witness against anyone. Love will not put others down to make self seem better.

10. Love does not covet other peoples goods or blessings but rejoices when others have good things.

So --
You see -- the commandments are God's love code.

The letter of the law (Decalogue) is for those who are unrighteous (1 Tim. 1:9-11), because for them, the law point out their sins. Thus, serving the law, is serving the ministry of death (2 Cor. 3:4-9), but, we are the sons of God, living faithfully in the path of the Spirit, is serving a new ministry, which is not of the letter, but of the spirit, the love code, a ministry of love.

whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, ...... inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.......... to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.... Whatever is not of faith is sin ..... these words are the boundaries of the love code, it is the boundaries of the ministry of love, which is a ministry of the Spirit, that gives life.

Insisting non SDA’s to keep the Decalogue will get a strong counter and almost impossible to convince them that the Decalogue is still valid. Then, OK, think like they think, we approach them in this way, with the love code. It works much better.

In His love

James, I appreciate your desire to figure out new ways to help people keep the Sabbath. Most people agree the other 9 commandments are still in effect.

The difference between "the letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law" is not in the law itself, but in the way a person responds to it.

We have all sinned, so yes, the law condemns us, only through the salvation offered by Christ may we escape the eternal death penalty and have life.
But, the scriptures ask, do we then void the law? No, God forbid!

People who keep the "letter of the law" follow the law in outward appearance.
People who keep the "spirit of the law" have the law "written on the fleshy tables of the heart" and keep it because the very principles have become part of their character.

But in all this the law is immutable. It stands in its full magnifications as the eternal standard of God's righteousness.